Science!

The Batlord · 12-07-2019, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I didn't think so until I had the theory put to me

granted only for men

andro is half of what it's about...it could be called a lack of gender but point stands that it's about a longing for expression of a feminine side

a lot of the time the scene is a safe space for legit homosexuality and gender fluidity in my experience but that's separate

No you're just a self-absorbed dumb twat who either got bullied too much in school or not enough.

DwnWthVwls · 12-07-2019, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MarieMarie

Omg no read my post carefully. I would like gender identity to be unimportant everywhere

Gotcha.

The Batlord · 12-07-2019, 06:10 PM

So not enough.

DwnWthVwls · 12-07-2019, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

what is it that kids get bullied for if not for things like gender and sexuality

But nah I didn't get bullied cuz I'm a giant

I was ostracized though I guess

When i was growing up gender and sexuality werent a thing and there was stull plenty of bullying.

The Batlord · 12-07-2019, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

When i was growing up gender and sexuality werent a thing and there was stull plenty of bullying.

Yes they were you just didn't openly question it. Imagine if you went to school with bright pink nail polish, or even bright pink lipstick. Do you think gender and sexuality would have become a big thing for you then?

DwnWthVwls · 12-07-2019, 08:15 PM

No they werent.. There was one openly gay kid in my school who got heat from a few people but was mostly left alone and this whole gender identity discussion had not yet become a part of our culture. People still got bullied but not for the same things kids are getting bullied for today.

And if you ask how I know, its cause my HS was only about 400 kids total and everyone knew everyone for the most part.

**Marie Monday** · 12-08-2019, 02:45 AM

Gender identity was not a thing when I was a kid, but that didn't stop people from bullying kids who did not conform to gender norms. I'm sure it was the same in your school. The identity discussion did not exist, but people with different gender identities did (they just didn't have the name for it yet), and they were bullied for it (or rather, bullied for not conforming to gender norms, but that amounts to the same thing)

Gender and sexuality have always been a big thing, only now it is discussed in a new way. And everyone in all of history always gets bullied for the same things: not conforming and being vulnerable

DwnWthVwls · 12-08-2019, 03:43 AM

Im sure it would have been the same in my school, but im telling you it wasnt something that ever happened. Im sure there were probably some people in the closet about it, but like I said we had one openly gay student, and everyone else was pretty "normal". People were separated by their attire and music choices but I cant recall any gender identity issues, ever.. You had the wannabe gangster kids, metalheads, "the trenchcoat mafia", the polocks, the 101 crew, and whatever else.. but there was never any nail painting or untraditional masculine/feminine traits that kids got bullied over. Oh and TONS of racism...

Not that it's the same but even the girl who was open about having a puke fetish never got picked on for it.

**Frownland** · 12-08-2019, 05:41 PM

It must not have existed if you didn't personally witness it in your high school years.

Anyways, saying that sexual attraction is based on traditional gender expression and not physical sex just gives more power to the social influences of gender. It's all person to person, but even if you're the type to make sure that you're personally compatible with someone before you can confirm that you're attracted to them, the diversity of what can be masculine or feminine still makes their gender identity more or less irrelevant. Also, elphenor's pointing to conformity to social gender norms as evidence of their necessity in sexual selection is blatantly circular reasoning from where I'm sitting, but I wouldn't really expect anything less from a misogynist.

DwnWthVwls · 12-08-2019, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

It must not have existed if you didn't personally witness it in your high school years.

Yeah, reading back I should have made it more clear I was speaking about my personal experience, not in general.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	It must not have existed if you didn't personally witness it in your high school years. Anyways, saying that sexual attraction is based on traditional gender expression and not physical sex just gives more power to the social influences of gender. It's all person to person, but even if you're the type to make sure that you're personally compatible with someone before you can confirm that you're attracted to them, the diversity of what can be masculine or feminine still makes their gender identity more or less irrelevant. Also, elphenor's pointing to conformity to social gender norms as evidence of their necessity in sexual selection is blatantly circular reasoning from where I'm sitting, but I wouldn't really expect anything less from a misogynist. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x