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Old 04-12-2019, 08:57 AM   #381 (permalink)
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I would say that it's because brains undergo a decision-making process influenced by environment and past experience. Far from magical and the permanence of a decision doesn't discount that decision-making process. If we programmed a robot to base its actions on environmental factors and past experience, I'd consider the resulting actions to be the robot's choice.
Why are you using the word "choice"? It's meaningless without unpredictability. You sound like you're just taking the feeling of having choice at face value.
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:00 AM   #382 (permalink)
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Why are you using the word "choice"?
Because of the range of options that exists.

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Old 04-12-2019, 09:04 AM   #383 (permalink)
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Because of the range of options that exists.
Why do you assume there are a range of options?

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You have an odd idea of what qualifies as a choice.
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Old 04-12-2019, 09:07 AM   #384 (permalink)
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Why do you assume there are a range of options?
Because I can either pick up a piece of paper or leave it on the floor. My picking up that piece of paper being predictable doesn't mean that the option to leave it on the floor doesn't exist.

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Old 04-12-2019, 09:17 AM   #385 (permalink)
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Because I can either pick up a piece of paper or leave it on the floor. My picking up that piece of paper being predictable doesn't mean that the option to leave it on the floor doesn't exist.
Yes. Yes it does. If it could be predicted then you physically could never have left the paper on the floor. Otherwise it wouldn't be predictable.
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Yes. Yes it does. If it could be predicted then you physically could never have left the paper on the floor. Otherwise it wouldn't be predictable.
Nah, for it to not exist it would have to be a physical impossibility.
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That is what I am saying.
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That is what I am saying.
*leaves a piece of paper on the floor*

That felt physically possible but I could be wrong.
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*leaves a piece of paper on the floor*

That felt physically possible but I could be wrong.
Plenty of crackheads probably felt they could fly until they couldn't. Why on earth would you think how you "feel" is in any way meaningful. I think OH is right and you're simply "not there" yet.
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