The Batlord

****ing. Elphenor. ****ing. Chula. With a stick.

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Frownland

All hail mathgod

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Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.

The Batlord

I honestly don't understand what you don't understand.

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Frownland

"I don't believe in free will."
"Why?"
"Someone told me it was because of math."
"Can you elaborate?"
"Math."

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Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.

The Batlord

It honestly doesn't need a whole lot of explanation. You're just complicating the matter to give yourself an out. If you don't believe that math dictates human behavior then you don't believe math dictates pool balls.

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Frownland

Mathgod.

Can you specifically tell me what challenges Mathgod has posed against the notion of free will?

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The Batlord

That... things are predictable... cause they can be calculated? I'm almost feeling like you're smart enough that you've circled around to being dumb. I mean you can calculate how a cell in your body operates using math: the amount of nutrients it needs, how it utilizes those nutrients, how often it undergoes mitosis, whatever else. Your brain cells are no different. How they interact with each other via neurons can be described by math. I mean science is just math in action. So at what point does math stop being predictable? Is it in how cells function internally? In how they function together? When?

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Frownland

I don't view predictability as a challenge to free will. Evidence: Mathgod knew I was going to say that.

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DwnWthVwls

So where does math come in when Im bound to eat a bowl of pasta and have to pick between bowties or elbows?

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I don't got a god complex, you got a simple god...

The Batlord

Alright let's take this post you made in the Free Will thread.

In order for an action to be cancelled it must either be mathematically predictable, which cancels out free will, or it must be decided essentially by a random number generator, which also cancels out free will because then no decision is being made. You're simply a victim of literal chaos. You're a ship adrift on an ocean with no engine, no oars, no sail, no rudder, and the ocean isn't even an ocean because the movement of water is defined by math so it's nothing more than an abstract nothingness where anything and everything are possible. There is no middle ground where free will is allowed to exist.

Well if it's complex and seemingly frivolous then clearly no math is involved.

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