Science!

**Frownland** · 04-11-2019, 04:54 PM

dog·ma
/ˈdôɡmə/
noun
a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.

You can absolutely be dogmatic about science.

The Batlord · 04-11-2019, 04:57 PM

Math is dogma?

**Frownland** · 04-11-2019, 04:58 PM

Science is math?

Data dredging

DwnWthVwls · 04-11-2019, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Math is dogma?

How is free will math? I consider free will the capacity to make choices from a list of known options. Then you come in with the gang, add all your own ****, and tell me im wrong and I dont have free will because math. There is no science or math here, its a philosophical concept that should be discussed with an agreed upon usage prior to debate.

**Frownland** · 04-11-2019, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

How is free will math? I consider free will the capacity to make choices from a list of known options. You come in with the gang, add all your own ****, and tell me im wrong and I dont have free will because math. There is no science or math here, its a philosophical concept, that should be discussed with an agreed upon usage prior to debate.

But options are magic and brains aren't magic. Stop being intellectually dishonest and just agree with me already.

DwnWthVwls · 04-11-2019, 05:06 PM

lol

The Batlord · 04-11-2019, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Science is math?

Data dredging

Everything runs on math. If you don't think your brain is bound by equations the same as everything else then you're talking about the supernatural by definition. You might as well say "but wutaboot souls?"

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

How is free will math? I consider free will the capacity to make choices from a list of known options. Then you come in with the gang, add all your own ****, and tell me im wrong and I dont have free will because math. There is no science or math here, its a philosophical concept that should be discussed with an agreed upon usage prior to debate.

If you don't know I'm talking about incompatibalism then you haven't been paying attention. Frown and I have had this discussion several times before so we know what the other is talking about.

**Frownland** · 04-11-2019, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Everything runs on math.

Math is a tool that we use to explain the world. It's in a pretty sweet spot but historically it's been shown to be imperfect.

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If you don't think your brain is bound by equations the same as everything else then you're talking about the supernatural by definition. You might as well say "but wutaboot souls?"

Which equations are these?

Also, thinking that "we" are separate from our brains is basically an argument for the existence of souls. It's more like "what about sentience and bodily control?".

The Batlord · 04-11-2019, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Math is a tool that we use to explain the world. It's in a pretty sweet spot but historically it's been shown to be imperfect.

That would be relevant if I said that current mathematical models could predict human "choice". Our ability to predict human action has no bearing on this discussion because our failure to understand absolutely every mathematical equation does not disprove math itself.

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Which equations are these?

Stop being dense. I feel like I'm talking to elphenor.

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Also, thinking that "we" are separate from our brains is basically an argument for the existence of souls. It's more like "what about sentience and bodily control?".

When did I say we are separate from our brains? My whole point is that we are not and since our brains are bound by math then we are bound by math. The only way you can be misinterpreting my arguments is if you are so bound by emotion that you need to strawman me in order to protect your fragile sense of self.

**Frownland** · 04-11-2019, 05:25 PM

If I'm being dense it should be easy to explain. What math are you referring to?

04-11-2019, 04:54 PM	#331 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	dog·ma /ˈdôɡmə/ noun a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true. You can absolutely be dogmatic about science. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-11-2019, 04:58 PM	#333 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Science is math? Data dredging __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-11-2019, 05:25 PM	#340 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	If I'm being dense it should be easy to explain. What math are you referring to? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x