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The Batlord 12-07-2019 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2093913)
I didn't think so until I had the theory put to me

granted only for men

andro is half of what it's about...it could be called a lack of gender but point stands that it's about a longing for expression of a feminine side

a lot of the time the scene is a safe space for legit homosexuality and gender fluidity in my experience but that's separate

No you're just a self-absorbed dumb twat who either got bullied too much in school or not enough.

DwnWthVwls 12-07-2019 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MarieMarie (Post 2093914)
Omg no read my post carefully. I would like gender identity to be unimportant everywhere

Gotcha.

The Batlord 12-07-2019 06:10 PM

So not enough.

DwnWthVwls 12-07-2019 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2093920)
what is it that kids get bullied for if not for things like gender and sexuality

But nah I didn't get bullied cuz I'm a giant

I was ostracized though I guess

When i was growing up gender and sexuality werent a thing and there was stull plenty of bullying.

The Batlord 12-07-2019 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 2093922)
When i was growing up gender and sexuality werent a thing and there was stull plenty of bullying.

Yes they were you just didn't openly question it. Imagine if you went to school with bright pink nail polish, or even bright pink lipstick. Do you think gender and sexuality would have become a big thing for you then?

DwnWthVwls 12-07-2019 08:15 PM

No they werent.. There was one openly gay kid in my school who got heat from a few people but was mostly left alone and this whole gender identity discussion had not yet become a part of our culture. People still got bullied but not for the same things kids are getting bullied for today.

And if you ask how I know, its cause my HS was only about 400 kids total and everyone knew everyone for the most part.

Marie Monday 12-08-2019 02:45 AM

Gender identity was not a thing when I was a kid, but that didn't stop people from bullying kids who did not conform to gender norms. I'm sure it was the same in your school. The identity discussion did not exist, but people with different gender identities did (they just didn't have the name for it yet), and they were bullied for it (or rather, bullied for not conforming to gender norms, but that amounts to the same thing)

Gender and sexuality have always been a big thing, only now it is discussed in a new way. And everyone in all of history always gets bullied for the same things: not conforming and being vulnerable

DwnWthVwls 12-08-2019 03:43 AM

Im sure it would have been the same in my school, but im telling you it wasnt something that ever happened. Im sure there were probably some people in the closet about it, but like I said we had one openly gay student, and everyone else was pretty "normal". People were separated by their attire and music choices but I cant recall any gender identity issues, ever.. You had the wannabe gangster kids, metalheads, "the trenchcoat mafia", the polocks, the 101 crew, and whatever else.. but there was never any nail painting or untraditional masculine/feminine traits that kids got bullied over. Oh and TONS of racism...

Not that it's the same but even the girl who was open about having a puke fetish never got picked on for it.

Frownland 12-08-2019 05:41 PM

It must not have existed if you didn't personally witness it in your high school years.

Anyways, saying that sexual attraction is based on traditional gender expression and not physical sex just gives more power to the social influences of gender. It's all person to person, but even if you're the type to make sure that you're personally compatible with someone before you can confirm that you're attracted to them, the diversity of what can be masculine or feminine still makes their gender identity more or less irrelevant. Also, elphenor's pointing to conformity to social gender norms as evidence of their necessity in sexual selection is blatantly circular reasoning from where I'm sitting, but I wouldn't really expect anything less from a misogynist.

DwnWthVwls 12-08-2019 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2093977)
It must not have existed if you didn't personally witness it in your high school years.

Yeah, reading back I should have made it more clear I was speaking about my personal experience, not in general.


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