Science!

The Batlord · 04-12-2019, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

In addition to my consideration that leaving the piece of paper on the ground was physically possible, I also demonstrated it. Are you able to support your stance without false equivalencies?

How did you demonstrate anything? You just said "I feel like I could have made a different decision and that's evidence enough for me." You might as well be a Christian asked how they know God exists and responding "Cause Jesus died for our sins." You're using what you think is true as evidence for it being true.

**Frownland** · 04-12-2019, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

How did you demonstrate anything? You just said "I feel like I could have made a different decision and that's evidence enough for me." You might as well be a Christian asked how they know God exists and responding "Cause Jesus died for our sins." You're using what you think is true as evidence for it being true.

I demonstrated that it's physically possible to leave it on the ground and to pick it up, which you said was physically impossible.

The Batlord · 04-12-2019, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

No, they'll probably resort to ad hominem when confronted with the idea that they don't know.

Edit: I'm fairly certain they scoff at people that claim that they were destined to do or be something despite the fact that it's literally what they believe.

I scoff at people who claim destiny as if it were a conscious entity or magical force guiding their lives like God or astrology. And "I don't know" isn't a reasonable stance to stop at because it ignores the reality that believing one and not the other influences how society views itself and their actions resulting from that, and being agnostic is tantamount to believing in free will because you're just going to accept the status quo which is belief in free will. All the circle jerk rationalist garbage in the world isn't going to make you woke.

The Batlord · 04-12-2019, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I demonstrated that it's physically possible to leave it on the ground and to pick it up, which you said was physically impossible.

No you're strawmanning me. You know full well what I'm talking about so don't play dumb.

**Frownland** · 04-12-2019, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

I scoff at people who claim destiny as if it were a conscious entity or magical force guiding their lives like God or astrology. And "I don't know" isn't a reasonable stance to stop at because it ignores the reality that believing one and not the other influences how society views itself and their actions resulting from that, and being agnostic is tantamount to believing in free will because you're just going to accept the status quo which is belief in free will. All the circle jerk rationalist garbage in the world isn't going to make you woke.

Looks like you're more concerned with the implications of free will than determining what's true.

The Batlord · 04-12-2019, 01:00 PM

How are you going to prove it? I can't prove god doesn't exist but I'm still going to live as if he doesn't.

**Frownland** · 04-12-2019, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

How are you going to prove it?

Kinda been my question for a while now mate.

Lucem Ferre · 04-12-2019, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

I scoff at people who claim destiny as if it were a conscious entity or magical force guiding their lives like God or astrology. And "I don't know" isn't a reasonable stance to stop at because it ignores the reality that believing one and not the other influences how society views itself and their actions resulting from that, and being agnostic is tantamount to believing in free will because you're just going to accept the status quo which is belief in free will. All the circle jerk rationalist garbage in the world isn't going to make you woke.

But destiny wouldn't be a 'magical' force since it would be natural. Same with free will if it existed.

If anything it's YOU who are trying to sound 'woke' with the 'I know free will doesn't exist' bull****. And, again, it's calling things 'magical' or throwing preconceived notions of what I believe being you using ad hominem to cover up the fact that you don't know because you can't take the fact that you don't know. It's the equivalent of me claiming that you don't want to believe in free will because it makes the self imposed doom of humanity more digestible if you think it was destiny rather than choice.

I don't believe in free will. I've said that already on here plenty of times. I'm not going to claim that I know free will doesn't exist and I'm not going to pretend it's a fact to fit my own beliefs. That's just grossly narcissistic and masturbatory to claim that you know, it's fact and that anybody that believes in free will just wants to feel 'magical' or 'isn't there yet'.

The Batlord · 04-12-2019, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Kinda been my question for a while now mate.

Which you contradict by saying things like "I feel like I have a choice between picking up and not picking up a piece of paper" like some damn Christian.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

But destiny wouldn't be a 'magical' force since it would be natural. Same with free will if it existed.

Okay?

**Frownland** · 04-12-2019, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Which you contradict by saying things like "I feel like I have a choice between picking up and not picking up a piece of paper" like some damn Christian.

I never said that. I said that the option to do both exists because they are physically possible to perform.