Science!

**Frownland** · 04-12-2019, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Why do you assume there are a range of options?

Because I can either pick up a piece of paper or leave it on the floor. My picking up that piece of paper being predictable doesn't mean that the option to leave it on the floor doesn't exist.

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You have an odd idea of what qualifies as a choice.

I know a true Scot when I see one.

The Batlord · 04-12-2019, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Because I can either pick up a piece of paper or leave it on the floor. My picking up that piece of paper being predictable doesn't mean that the option to leave it on the floor doesn't exist.

Yes. Yes it does. If it could be predicted then you physically could never have left the paper on the floor. Otherwise it wouldn't be predictable.

**Frownland** · 04-12-2019, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Yes. Yes it does. If it could be predicted then you physically could never have left the paper on the floor. Otherwise it wouldn't be predictable.

Nah, for it to not exist it would have to be a physical impossibility.

The Batlord · 04-12-2019, 09:25 AM

That is what I am saying.

**Frownland** · 04-12-2019, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

That is what I am saying.

*leaves a piece of paper on the floor*

That felt physically possible but I could be wrong.

Oriphiel · 04-12-2019, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mindfulness

Except for you. You're magical.

The Batlord · 04-12-2019, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

*leaves a piece of paper on the floor*

That felt physically possible but I could be wrong.

Plenty of crackheads probably felt they could fly until they couldn't. Why on earth would you think how you "feel" is in any way meaningful. I think OH is right and you're simply "not there" yet.

Lucem Ferre · 04-12-2019, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

People aren't magical.

We're just chemicals, compiled into certain structures and in certain proportions.

Understand those particles, and you can perfectly predict every "action" that a formation of matter will take. Even environmental factors and quantum randomness can be injected into the equation and accounted for, though obviously we still have a long way to go in being able to accurately gauge such complex ****.

There is no "ability to freely make your own decisions", when the decision that you make is the only one that you ever would have made given any particular equation of formation that you happen to exist in.

Your personality. The information that you have. Your willingness to seek out more information. Every function of your conciousness, which is entirely dependent on the physical structure of your mind and the neurochemicals within. It's all just particles reacting to other particles.

Ahh, so you believe in destiny.

**Frownland** · 04-12-2019, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Plenty of crackheads probably felt they could fly until they couldn't. Why on earth would you think how you "feel" is in any way meaningful. I think OH is right and you're simply "not there" yet.

In addition to my consideration that leaving the piece of paper on the ground was physically possible, I also demonstrated it. Are you able to support your stance without false equivalencies?

Lucem Ferre · 04-12-2019, 11:00 AM

No, they'll probably resort to ad hominem when confronted with the idea that they don't know.

Edit: I'm fairly certain they scoff at people that claim that they were destined to do or be something despite the fact that it's literally what they believe.