Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 2051875)

People aren't magical.

We're just chemicals, compiled into certain structures and in certain proportions.

Understand those particles, and you can perfectly predict every "action" that a formation of matter will take. Even environmental factors and quantum randomness can be injected into the equation and accounted for, though obviously we still have a long way to go in being able to accurately gauge such complex ****.

There is no "ability to freely make your own decisions", when the decision that you make is the only one that you ever would have made given any particular equation of formation that you happen to exist in.

Your personality. The information that you have. Your willingness to seek out more information. Every function of your conciousness, which is entirely dependent on the physical structure of your mind and the neurochemicals within. It's all just particles reacting to other particles.

Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2051905)

Plenty of crackheads probably felt they could fly until they couldn't. Why on earth would you think how you "feel" is in any way meaningful. I think OH is right and you're simply "not there" yet.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2051908)

In addition to my consideration that leaving the piece of paper on the ground was physically possible, I also demonstrated it. Are you able to support your stance without false equivalencies?

Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2051910)

How did you demonstrate anything? You just said "I feel like I could have made a different decision and that's evidence enough for me." You might as well be a Christian asked how they know God exists and responding "Cause Jesus died for our sins." You're using what you think is true as evidence for it being true.

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2051909)

No, they'll probably resort to ad hominem when confronted with the idea that they don't know.

Edit: I'm fairly certain they scoff at people that claim that they were destined to do or be something despite the fact that it's literally what they believe.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2051912)

I demonstrated that it's physically possible to leave it on the ground and to pick it up, which you said was physically impossible.

Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2051913)

I scoff at people who claim destiny as if it were a conscious entity or magical force guiding their lives like God or astrology. And "I don't know" isn't a reasonable stance to stop at because it ignores the reality that believing one and not the other influences how society views itself and their actions resulting from that, and being agnostic is tantamount to believing in free will because you're just going to accept the status quo which is belief in free will. All the circle jerk rationalist garbage in the world isn't going to make you woke.

Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2051916)

How are you going to prove it?