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The Batlord 04-12-2019 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2051892)
I would say that it's because brains undergo a decision-making process influenced by environment and past experience. Far from magical and the permanence of a decision doesn't discount that decision-making process. If we programmed a robot to base its actions on environmental factors and past experience, I'd consider the resulting actions to be the robot's choice.
Why are you using the word "choice"? It's meaningless without unpredictability. You sound like you're just taking the feeling of having choice at face value.

Frownland 04-12-2019 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2051894)
Why are you using the word "choice"?
Because of the range of options that exists.

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It's meaningless without unpredictability.
I disagree.

The Batlord 04-12-2019 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2051895)
Because of the range of options that exists.
Why do you assume there are a range of options?

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I disagree.
You have an odd idea of what qualifies as a choice.

Frownland 04-12-2019 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2051896)
Why do you assume there are a range of options?
Because I can either pick up a piece of paper or leave it on the floor. My picking up that piece of paper being predictable doesn't mean that the option to leave it on the floor doesn't exist.

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You have an odd idea of what qualifies as a choice.
I know a true Scot when I see one.

The Batlord 04-12-2019 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2051897)
Because I can either pick up a piece of paper or leave it on the floor. My picking up that piece of paper being predictable doesn't mean that the option to leave it on the floor doesn't exist.
Yes. Yes it does. If it could be predicted then you physically could never have left the paper on the floor. Otherwise it wouldn't be predictable.

Frownland 04-12-2019 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2051898)
Yes. Yes it does. If it could be predicted then you physically could never have left the paper on the floor. Otherwise it wouldn't be predictable.
Nah, for it to not exist it would have to be a physical impossibility.

The Batlord 04-12-2019 09:25 AM
That is what I am saying.

Frownland 04-12-2019 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2051900)
That is what I am saying.
*leaves a piece of paper on the floor*

That felt physically possible but I could be wrong.

Oriphiel 04-12-2019 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Mindfulness (Post 2051893)
:(
Except for you. You're magical.

The Batlord 04-12-2019 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2051901)
*leaves a piece of paper on the floor*

That felt physically possible but I could be wrong.
Plenty of crackheads probably felt they could fly until they couldn't. Why on earth would you think how you "feel" is in any way meaningful. I think OH is right and you're simply "not there" yet.


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