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DwnWthVwls · 04-11-2019, 08:39 PM

Much fallacy. Much tired. Good night.

The Batlord · 04-11-2019, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Much fallacy. Much tired. Good night.

Bruh I've had countless mindless debates on internet forums with atheists on both sides throwing around smug accusations of logical fallacies and it's largely a circle jerk. Everyone uses vapid logical frameworks that ultimately end up as justifications for right wing gamergate nonsense because white privilege is hard to prove therefore the left are emotionally pleading snowflakes. You're using exactly that kind of logic and declaring superiority because of it but really you're just mentally stunted.

Oriphiel · 04-12-2019, 03:24 AM

People aren't magical.

We're just chemicals, compiled into certain structures and in certain proportions.

Understand those particles, and you can perfectly predict every "action" that a formation of matter will take. Even environmental factors and quantum randomness can be injected into the equation and accounted for, though obviously we still have a long way to go in being able to accurately gauge such complex ****.

There is no "ability to freely make your own decisions", when the decision that you make is the only one that you ever would have made given any particular equation of formation that you happen to exist in.

Your personality. The information that you have. Your willingness to seek out more information. Every function of your conciousness, which is entirely dependent on the physical structure of your mind and the neurochemicals within. It's all just particles reacting to other particles.

DwnWthVwls · 04-12-2019, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Bruh I've had countless mindless debates on internet forums with atheists on both sides throwing around smug accusations of logical fallacies and it's largely a circle jerk. Everyone uses vapid logical frameworks that ultimately end up as justifications for right wing gamergate nonsense because white privilege is hard to prove therefore the left are emotionally pleading snowflakes. You're using exactly that kind of logic and declaring superiority because of it but really you're just mentally stunted.

What do any of your last couple posts have to do with you not meeting your burden of proof and being unjustified in your claim of no free will? I dont really care what internet athiests argue about or their justifications unless they us logical reasoning. Tons of athiests are athiests for bad reasons and the gnostic vs agnostic part is the most important part. Gnostic athiests are just as illogical as thiests except when using evidence to debunk specific god claims ie zeus throwing lightning bolts.

Seems to me like youre the one acting superior claiming to know something you cant possibly know.

OccultHawk · 04-12-2019, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

People aren't magical.

We're just chemicals, compiled into certain structures and in certain proportions.

Understand those particles, and you can perfectly predict every "action" that a formation of matter will take. Even environmental factors and quantum randomness can be injected into the equation and accounted for, though obviously we still have a long way to go in being able to accurately gauge such complex ****.

There is no "ability to freely make your own decisions", when the decision that you make is the only one that you ever would have made given any particular equation of formation that you happen to exist in.

Your personality. The information that you have. Your willingness to seek out more information. Every function of your conciousness, which is entirely dependent on the physical structure of your mind and the neurochemicals within. It's all just particles reacting to other particles.

Church

DwnWthVwls · 04-12-2019, 05:26 AM

Mosque

**Marie Monday** · 04-12-2019, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Mathgod.

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

People aren't magical.

We're just chemicals, compiled into certain structures and in certain proportions.

Understand those particles, and you can perfectly predict every "action" that a formation of matter will take. Even environmental factors and quantum randomness can be injected into the equation and accounted for, though obviously we still have a long way to go in being able to accurately gauge such complex ****.

There is no "ability to freely make your own decisions", when the decision that you make is the only one that you ever would have made given any particular equation of formation that you happen to exist in.

Your personality. The information that you have. Your willingness to seek out more information. Every function of your conciousness, which is entirely dependent on the physical structure of your mind and the neurochemicals within. It's all just particles reacting to other particles.

Yes

**Frownland** · 04-12-2019, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I don't view predictability as a challenge to free wilI.

Brains undergo a decision-making process influenced by environment and past experience. Far from magical and the permanence of a decision doesn't discount that decision-making process. If we programmed a robot to base its actions on environmental factors and past experience, I'd consider the resulting actions to be the robot's choice.

The Batlord · 04-12-2019, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Brains undergo a decision-making process influenced by environment and past experience. Far from magical and the permanence of a decision doesn't discount that decision-making process. If we programmed a robot to base its actions on environmental factors and past experience, I'd consider the resulting actions to be the robot's choice.

Why? That's just arbitrary.

**Frownland** · 04-12-2019, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Why? That's just arbitrary.

I would say that it's because brains undergo a decision-making process influenced by environment and past experience. Far from magical and the permanence of a decision doesn't discount that decision-making process. If we programmed a robot to base its actions on environmental factors and past experience, I'd consider the resulting actions to be the robot's choice.

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