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To clarify, I did not mean for the point to sound like an appeal to nature fallacy. It was really just to demonstrate an example of how accessible modern healthcare is not heavily tied to health. You can point to their life expectancy to debunk my claim, but I think that ties more into environmental conditions and births/early life mortality than the actual health of the people. Technology and modern medicine may keep us alive, but it does very little to keep us healthy (You don't make money off the healthy ).

You can look at the history of the Okinawan people for one example.

You can also check out this very recent study: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...xt?elsca1=tlpr

I don't simplify things. I just come here to shine a light on your boogeymonster mentality every time you decide to use it to justify your position. I have not said once in this thread that healthcare is a non-factor. My position is it's not the primary cause you are making it out to be.

I'll stop bringing up responsibility when you stop blaming the world for everything that's wrong with people. There are **** ups on both ends, but you'd rather live in denial of that fact and just blame everything that goes wrong on some oppressing force.

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