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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls
I'm not assuming anything about welfare, it was just an example. The bolded seems contradictory, youre arguing against my mentality and then saying there isn't anything wrong with it. Which is it?
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My point is that I agree with you on needing to final a solution for Welfare fraud. Ny state does a good job of locking people up that they end up catching but it seems a bit more lax in other areas that you guys have stories from.
Currently other alternatives have been reaching their max because of how much the Republicans have kept pushing food stamp cuts. So people end up having to go to churches that give out food. Food pantries are pulling the load that the government isn't currently meeting. Do you think the food stamp program should be gutted even more just so that a few people gaming the system doesn't get away with it while people that need it are harmed in the process? Rhetorical question. I know how you feel about the two separate groups and I don't need you to repeat it. I am listening to what you are saying.
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre
Force people to look for a job of the want assistance.
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They do but I believe it varies from state to state which is weird because Bill Clinton put that into place that you either need to be looking for work or go to work sites to do jobs that union workers are getting good benefits for while it pays for assistance. In New York they are called WEP workers and corporations and businesses take advantage of them so much. It is basically free labor for them.
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Originally Posted by elphenor
Sounds good on paper in practice there's actually barely any people who are able to work collecting welfare
Or usually they have a job and still need assistance
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So much this.
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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls
Of all the people who disagree with me you are the only one yet to actually say anything, Briks has already contributed more in two posts than you have in 10 pages, elph and I found some areas where we agreed, and DJ was nice to talk to (still waiting to hear back).. When are you going to actually make a post worth considering?
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I was down in DC marching for green jobs and climate change along with unions. I was pretty busy.
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Originally Posted by elphenor
I get if you live a life of hardship as working people do there is resentment towards those who appear to be getting a free ride
But the biggest abusers are the uber wealthy elite(government officials included) and it's their theft that mandates poverty ultimately
We fight for the scraps that fall from their mouth
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Yep we fight for those trickle down scraps.
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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre
Yeah, that's very true. I don't think government assistance has been big enough of a problem for us to stress about as much as we do. There are much more expensive wastes of money. Like those tax loopholes Trump promised to fix and I haven't heard anything about since he became president.
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Okay so Trump is working on the tax code now but they have a lot of details to flesh out. They want to close off a lot of the loophole deductions and stick to a basic three tier percentage. I really don't agree with the upper bracket only having to pay 15%. How are you going to decrease it that much while still spending so much on the military budget. Someone needs to work on their math skills. He was trying to work on the repeal of ACA because it is tied to taxes with the penalties then work on the tax code which would lead to working on infrastructure. It has to be done in that order.
04-30-2017, 04:46 PM
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