DwnWthVwls

More than id like to admit.

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Chula Vista

And once again.

Stop painting with a broad brush.

My mentally ill 28 year old son gets $200 a month in food stamps because he's incapable of holding down a steady job due to his illness. Should he just suck it up and find away to ignore the demons in his brain?

My bread winning dad ran out on my mom when her kids were 1, 3, and 5 years old. She wasn't able to make ends meet working a job and having to pay for childcare so she could work, so she had to go on welfare. Explain what kind of action she should have taken to keep her kids fed.

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on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Isbjørn

Agree 100%, I was just adding the economic side to the equation. Unnecessary testing and screening is a waste of time and resources as well as humiliating and moralizing.

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DwnWthVwls

I dont have a problem with either of those examples receiving gov assistance.

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Isbjørn

Regardless, substance dependence shouldn't make you less eligible for benefits.

That's how it's done most places, I reckon. It's how it works in Norway, at least.

DWV, my problem here is that you brought up personal choices as a factor of seemingly macroeconomically significanct factor for why people are unemployed/on benefits/experienceing hardships. I don't see what that brings to the discussion apart from implying that people shouldn't receive benefits if their situation is caused by bad decision-making - and who's supposed to be the judge of that? Bureaucrats?

Fixation on personal decision-making is for the neoliberals who cut in out welfare, admittedly to create "incentives" to work.

I don't know about the US, but in Norway there are many able-bodied people receiving unemployment benefits due to transitional unemployment.

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DwnWthVwls

I already agreed with this in the first sentence you decided to remove from the quote.


I'm getting sick of rehashing the same points everytime someone new enters the discussion. Go back 10 or so pages and read.

Here: http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...ml#post1828726

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Chula Vista

Examples? We're talking about human beings here.

You do realize that these two "examples" are representative of a large number of people relying on social programs. I get that you are angry about the leeches that game the system, but you should be a bit more sensitive about the way you are expressing things.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Chula Vista

Then maybe re-think your approach because again, your overall tone on the subject is judemental and harsh. And even though you toss in a few nuggets of compassion now and then they are getting completely overshadowed.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Isbjørn

****, I misread your post. Sorry about that.

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DwnWthVwls

I intentionally leave emotion out, I'm trying to be as objective and rational as possible (believe it or not that's how you solve problems).

My approach has nothing to do with people joining mid conversation and missing points I've already covered, lol.

Of all the people who disagree with me you are the only one yet to actually say anything, Briks has already contributed more in two posts than you have in 10 pages, elph and I found some areas where we agreed, and DJ was nice to talk to (still waiting to hear back).. When are you going to actually make a post worth considering?

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