What Did President Trump Do Now?

DwnWthVwls · 04-29-2017, 10:55 AM

If you say so.

Isbjørn · 04-29-2017, 11:17 AM

Why do unemployment rates go dramatically up in times of crisis? Is it because people make bad personal financial choices en masse? No, it's because their employers sack them when their company goes bad. For many people it's very hard to find work after that, so of course they will need assistance benefits. This is not an agreeable situation - you merely receive a subsistence wage, which impels you to plan your expenses every month very carefully.

On the people who make bad decisions - as if everybody else make good decisions all the time - why should they not be allowed benefits? Assistance is absolutely essential when one can't find work. And shouldn't people be able to get another chance, even if they are partly responsible for their situations? Being unemployed and on benefits is punishment enough by itself. Besides, welfare administrations already spend too much time and resources on finding out who qualifies benefits - let's not complicate it further.

Chula Vista · 04-29-2017, 11:57 AM

DWV, statements like these are what cause me doubt.

1. I'm not responsible for other people screwing up - assumes everyone in need is there because they messed up.

2. It's not my fault if you can't make better decisions to improve your situation - assumes everyone in dire straights are there because of bad decision making.

3. People in financial trouble are there because they overspent their means - more assuming.

You seem to only want to focus on people who **** up, and therefore it's not the goverment's responsibility to help them. In the past few pages I haven't seen you mention anything in regards to those who end up in tough shape simply because of a bad luck of the draw. Or how, we as a society, are responsible to help them out via social programs and the taxes we pay to support them.

Your overall negativity towards anyone who requires assistance over the course of the discussion is what turns me off.

You need help? It's your own damn fault.

DwnWthVwls · 04-29-2017, 12:06 PM

1. I already distinguished between people creating problems vs uncontrollable circumstances.

2. I already admitted not everyone is in bad positions because of poor decision making and that we SHOULD help them.. ie - being born into it, unplanned pregnancy, etc

3. I already said it's one of MANY problems that CAN be a factor.

Seriously, do you even read my posts or just browse them in a fit of rage and miss all the points? I don't have negative views of people who need assistance, I have negative views towards those who don't even try to better their position(WHEN POSSIBLE, another point I covered) when the problem is one they created.

At least you managed to not throw insults this time around.

DwnWthVwls · 04-29-2017, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Yeah but it's not about saving money it's about humiliating people who need help

Take Republicans pushing drug testing for welfare recipients

It costs more to do the tests than to just let some junkies eat

This is the kind of stuff where we have differing opinions. On one hand I agree that its ****ty to base receiving welfare on passing a drug test. On the other, if you know you need to be clean to get welfare, than get fucking clean or AT LEAST try, my god, and if you can't get clean right away at least show some effort by going to meetings or seeking free assistance.

Chula Vista · 04-29-2017, 12:17 PM

It's the main overall tone. Yes you've snuck in some of those things but your main tone is one of almost resentment to anyone who has to lean on the government.

And it's not rage. Maybe a bit of alcohol haze, but not rage.

DwnWthVwls · 04-29-2017, 12:21 PM

Almost resentment, isn't resentment, and yes there is a tone, because I'm annoyed that we grow up learning that we have to take responsibility for our screw ups... Being grounded, bad grades in school, parent lectures, etc and then we turn into adults and it's all thrown out the window? No, I'm sorry, that's just not how life works, you don't get a free pass because the government offers assistance and you don't have parents to coddle you.

It's also not ANYONE who has to lean on the government it's a very specific group of do nothings. Maybe, it's not specific, but it's the attitude of these people that I have a problem with.

Chula Vista · 04-29-2017, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

No, I'm sorry, that's just not how life works, you don't get a free pass because the government offers assistance and you don't have parents to coddle you.

Perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Lucem Ferre · 04-29-2017, 12:25 PM

Force people to look for a job of the want assistance.

DwnWthVwls · 04-29-2017, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Perfect example of what I'm talking about.

So are you ever going to make a point as to why I should think differently or are you just going to keep complaining about my position and not try to show me why it's a poor one to hold?

I get that your disappointed or annoyed with me for thinking differently, I really don't care. Change my mind, present examples, provide counter points.. Demonstrate how it's good for society as a whole to be treated like children and never strive to improve problems through action.

04-29-2017, 11:17 AM	#4222 (permalink)
Isbjørn cooler commie than elph Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: In a hole, help Posts: 2,811	Why do unemployment rates go dramatically up in times of crisis? Is it because people make bad personal financial choices en masse? No, it's because their employers sack them when their company goes bad. For many people it's very hard to find work after that, so of course they will need assistance benefits. This is not an agreeable situation - you merely receive a subsistence wage, which impels you to plan your expenses every month very carefully. On the people who make bad decisions - as if everybody else make good decisions all the time - why should they not be allowed benefits? Assistance is absolutely essential when one can't find work. And shouldn't people be able to get another chance, even if they are partly responsible for their situations? Being unemployed and on benefits is punishment enough by itself. Besides, welfare administrations already spend too much time and resources on finding out who qualifies benefits - let's not complicate it further. __________________ fast(ml) Hear me play the guitar Look, mom! I got a journal

04-29-2017, 11:57 AM	#4223 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	DWV, statements like these are what cause me doubt. 1. I'm not responsible for other people screwing up - assumes everyone in need is there because they messed up. 2. It's not my fault if you can't make better decisions to improve your situation - assumes everyone in dire straights are there because of bad decision making. 3. People in financial trouble are there because they overspent their means - more assuming. You seem to only want to focus on people who **** up, and therefore it's not the goverment's responsibility to help them. In the past few pages I haven't seen you mention anything in regards to those who end up in tough shape simply because of a bad luck of the draw. Or how, we as a society, are responsible to help them out via social programs and the taxes we pay to support them. Your overall negativity towards anyone who requires assistance over the course of the discussion is what turns me off. You need help? It's your own damn fault. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

04-29-2017, 12:17 PM	#4226 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	It's the main overall tone. Yes you've snuck in some of those things but your main tone is one of almost resentment to anyone who has to lean on the government. And it's not rage. Maybe a bit of alcohol haze, but not rage. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”