What Did President Trump Do Now?

DwnWthVwls · 04-28-2017, 10:39 PM

I love how you turned you asking me what real life experience I had to overcome into me using them as the reason for my position. Stop twisting my words please, try reading them. I didn't bring that shit up until you asked a question about my personal life.

Chula Vista · 04-28-2017, 10:39 PM

I'm going to start a GoFundMe page to pay for me traveling to Washington so I can punch Jeffery Lord's face. My god. Such a ****ing dick.

As of this moment, based on the crap he just spewed on TV, he's my most hated person on the planet. Well, number 2 behind the young guy in North Korea with the funny hair.

Chula Vista · 04-28-2017, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I love how you turned you asking me what hardships I had to over come into me using them as the reason for my position.

You are using your overcoming your hardships as a way to slam on people who haven't been able to do the same. Can you at least admit that?

DwnWthVwls · 04-28-2017, 10:46 PM

I would if I was... Did you even read the examples I gave of things I'm okay supporting vs not supporting?

Chula Vista · 04-28-2017, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I'm curious if Elph and Chula think that people who ruin their lives need to take some responsibility in fixing them or just simply get supported forever because "woe is me".

Read between the lines dude.

Again, my mind is blown with you lately. You are no longer cool.

I'm sure you don't give a **** though.

DwnWthVwls · 04-28-2017, 10:53 PM

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It's certainly part of the reason, but you don't want to admit that part. And that's fine, I'm a monster. Actions have consequences, and I am not responsible for other peoples bad decision making. I have no problems with unexpected pregnancies, mentally/physically handicapped, inner city problems, etc.. but when you start purposefully having a 3rd, 4th, 5th kids (when you can barely take care of yourself) cause hey welfare and make yourself unemployable then you need to figure your own **** out.. It's not my responsibility or the governments to assist people who willfully contribute nothing to society. I'll leave that for the volunteer/non-profit, and whatever other groups form. I volunteer and do charity work because I care about other peoples well being, not because I feel some obligation to do so.

If that makes me a terrible person in your eyes, I'm okay with that, but your utopian 0 consequences view of how the world should exist is beyond impractical and incredibly naive. Are you the guy that doesn't show up for class, misses an assignment, and then expects full credit when you hand **** in late?

If you need clarity here, when I say "I have no problems with" I mean, I don't mind supporting/assisting.

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I think the biggest issue is how do we even find out who is abusing it and who genuinely needs it since at the level you describe, it all just comes down to intent which is incredibly difficult to determine. That, and people born into a culture of welfare thinking it is the only option and never consider alternatives. I have a friend who went through the foster system who's like this.

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I don't disagree with that at all, Frown. I'm not trying to make this into some simple "try harder" position.

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I knew this was coming.. It's absolutely reasonable to rely on your government for things, it's a two way street. I really meant that, it's not always possible for them to help and you should always rely on yourself to get things done before others.

elph agreed with this one btw.^

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It's a multi-faceted issue, and personal responsibility is one of many. Well, really we should discuss your usage of the word poverty, before I can stand behind that statement. If you're talking about the systematic history of inner city poverty I agree, but when we get into things like middle class families going bankrupt and unreasonable personal debt, I think my point holds true.

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Why do you think it needs to be instead of? Along side of is more like it.

Please bold the points where I'm taking a position on any of the things youre accusing me of.

Anteater · 04-28-2017, 10:59 PM

Chula baby....gotta stop putting words in people's mouths. It'll give the rest of MusicBanter the impression you've got your own version of McCarthyism going on internally.

DwnWthVwls · 04-28-2017, 11:13 PM

TFW you do your best to answer peoples questions, but they can't be bothered to return the courtesy.

You know what's really not cool? Your eagerness to insult me instead of have a discussion. You're right though, I don't give a fuck what you think of me, what I care about is you(and anyone else) making a rational argument that might enlighten me. I participate to learn and understand(and bust on elph), if you have nothing to offer you're really no use to me in this thread.

djchameleon · 04-28-2017, 11:38 PM

I don't get your example of middle class family going bankrupt. What are you basing this scenario off of?

When I think of them going bankrupt I relate that to being laid off and unable to find adequate employment while burning through savings just to keep their head above water.

DwnWthVwls · 04-28-2017, 11:42 PM

In my experience people tend to have the mentality of "you only live once, f*ck savings" and money burns a hole in their pocket. The point really goes hand in hand with the personal debt example and living beyond your means. I'm sorry, but if you can't prioritize bills over fun when you don't have the money for both without wracking up credit card debt, then that's really not anyone elses problem to solve but your own. That is NOT why these government support systems are in place.

Do you care to touch on the topic we were discussing or do you understand how you misrepresented my position?

Edit: If you don't think you did misrepresent please point out where, as I asked Chula to do, so we can actually talk about it.

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