What Did President Trump Do Now?

**Goofle** · 04-09-2017, 09:01 AM

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Even to the point of point of selling $100 bottles of water to desperate hurricane survivors apparently. Awesome.

Why would a bottle of water cost $100 under a free market system? Who controls water?

Isbjørn · 04-09-2017, 09:01 AM

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Obviously.

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The point is that I believe in the free market more than government control.

Arbitrary principles > practice in the material world. Got it.

OccultHawk · 04-09-2017, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Obviously.

I want it on the record that I'm not the only one completely bat**** crazy around here.

**Janszoon** · 04-09-2017, 09:03 AM

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Why would a bottle of water cost $100 under a free market system? Who controls water?

Demand. And the people selling the water control the water. Do you not understand what price gouging is?

OccultHawk · 04-09-2017, 09:05 AM

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Why would a bottle of water cost $100 under a free market system? Who controls water?

The dude with an AK and bottled water. It's also called South Sudan.

Isbjørn · 04-09-2017, 09:12 AM

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I hope everyone can see the obvious truth in that. Private property is a legal concept. Laws are enforced literally at gun point. Therefore capitalism cannot exist without oppression. Not even in theory.

Agree 100%. That's why capitalism needs the military, the courts, prisons, the police, i.e. the state, to uphold itself. Capitalism wouldn't survive for a day without an organized institution of armed force. That's one of the reasons for why the state (under capitalism) is not a socialist institution, but rather a public institution that upholds and strengthens capitalism.

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Why would a bottle of water cost $100 under a free market system?

The era of "free market" capitalism ended in the 1800s, pal. Free competition is abolished more and more as monopolies grow and obtain control over enire branches of industry and exercise their control over public life. That's capitalism at work for ya.

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Who controls water?

Idk. Nestlé?

rostasi · 04-09-2017, 09:22 AM

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Wow.

Remember Jans, he's a fan of Shkreli.
Also, as has been said here: there is no such thing as "free market" - especially these days.

OccultHawk · 04-09-2017, 09:28 AM

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That's one of the reasons for why the state (under capitalism) is not a socialist institution, but rather a public institution that upholds and strengthens capitalism.

I'm willing to concede that in order to have a working definition of socialism with YOU.

But as an American it's useful to point out to other Americans that the free market isn't the answer to EVERYTHING. Americans will look out at a beautiful sunrise and thank the free market.

Isbjørn · 04-09-2017, 09:35 AM

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I'm willing to concede that in order to have a working definition of socialism with YOU.

But as an American it's useful to point out to other Americans that the free market isn't the answer to EVERYTHING. Americans will look out at a beautiful sunrise and thank the free market.

I see where you're coming from.

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Isbjørn · 04-09-2017, 10:54 AM

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Really I only believe in Democracy

And getting to vote on which brand of toothpaste I prefer isn't a particularly compelling example of it

Voting on toothpaste flavors and how much is to be produced sounds better than toothpaste production being dictated by major shareholders. I'll take democratic control over the economy any day