What Did President Trump Do Now?

The Batlord · 04-08-2017, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

important to point out Marxism made a distinction between personal property and the means of production but so off topic now I should just have my own Ask a Communist thread

It's not that no one is entitled to the shirt on their back it's that the false meritocracy shouldn't be determining who gets to own a shirt

I kind of don't see a distinction in a real world sense since there will always be someone leading the proles to build something, and that person will always see the product being more his/hers than theirs. So any means of production will always be to some extent personal property unless the leader/leaders is not sufficiently competent enough to quell the rabble and take what he/she sees as rightfully theirs.

I mean, stuff like bridges and roads that don't directly produce revenue can be "public", but factories? The leaders will never let the followers have them without a fight.

Trollheart · 04-08-2017, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

It killed Marie Antoinette

I think you'll find it was actually a guillotine blade that did that.

The Batlord · 04-08-2017, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

again answer is democracy the proles can lead themselves to build

No they ****ing cannot. People are idiots. People are ants when it comes to anything larger than... a house I guess. They need leaders. Even if those leaders come from the proles, eventually those leaders will want more.

Trollheart · 04-08-2017, 05:42 PM

Says it all really...

The Batlord · 04-08-2017, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Yeah basically. People are too dumb to govern themselves on any large scale. And on any small, communist scale, well, any settlement would have to dispense with anything that large scale civilization gave them. Like vaccines. A kibbutz-scale settlement wouldn't be able to develop, let alone manufacture vaccines, so polio and smallpox are back. And bubonic plague and whatever the **** else. And god help anyone living in the malaria zone. So that's one horseman.

And you can't have major projects like the dams we have now, so any irrigation would have to be small scale like "back in the day", and therefore be subject to drought and therefore famine on a scale that modern, 1st-world countries generally aren't anymore. So people are dying of thirst and hunger.

But how do you solve those problems? I know! Form communities of communities to pool resources and labor, sorta like "countries". Which I'm sure would not at all lead to exactly the kind of capitalism that now exists. Nope.

Anteater · 04-08-2017, 06:48 PM

Trying to explain scalability to someone who thinks Communism (or its cousins) would ever work at scale is a Stone Of Sisyphus situation if I've ever seen one.

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