What Did President Trump Do Now?

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 06:23 PM

Nothing. Border policies are not made to keep out specific people. They are made to keep out everyone unless they are approved to enter because they serve as a tool to keep that country's systems functioning. If Germany has open policy that's great, they either don't have enough people migrating to matter or they have systems in place to deal with it. We however do not, it's just that simple.

**Frownland** · 02-15-2017, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Nothing. Border policies are not made to keep out specific people. They are made to keep out everyone unless they are approved to enter because they serve as a tool to keep that country's systems functioning. If Germany has open policy that's great, they either don't have enough people migrating to matter or they have systems in place to deal with it. We however do not, it's just that simple.

You're right that border policies aren't inherently racist. I still highly believe that the motivations for the wall are exclusively racist, which makes the wall racist too. Also, calling the wall border policy is a bit of a misnomer, isn't it? Since border policy is meant to have an actual effect on immigration, like the wall will fail to do in any kind of significant way?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 02-15-2017, 06:37 PM

the whole trump rise has tricked canadians into thinking we shouldn't being taking in many immigrants either but unfortunately they're ignoring the fact that we'll end up severely under-populated without immigration.

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 06:39 PM

But the wall is already there.. You're acting like he's introducing something new. I don't know the history of the wall, but I'm curious to know if everyone cried racism when it was first built. I don't even know who built it.

I'll even concede to you that immigration from Mexico may not be as big of a problem it's made out to be. I'd have to do some research or you'd have to make a case, but the bottom line is: the wall is there to help prevent people from undermining border policies, and if he thinks that improving it would help prevent the undermining of those policies than it's not racist policy.

This argument is analogous to putting more cops in high crime areas to help restrict increasing crime rates, where crime is immigration and cops are the wall.

**Frownland** · 02-15-2017, 06:42 PM

The wall we currently have is a fence and the reason I said it won't be effective is because the majority of people illegally entering the country through Mexico tunnel their way in. A wall won't do zilch about tunnels (or ladders).

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 06:48 PM

I'm not for the wall and I agree it won't be effective. I'm debating if the idea of making it better is inherently racist (which is what everyone giving Ant shit are arguing). I said it's not and explained why, and I've yet to see anyone in this thread, currently or in past conversations, justify their claim that it is. It's just a bunch of Trump hating (totally understandable) without any logic.

**Frownland** · 02-15-2017, 06:52 PM

If you buy a dog for the use of attacking black people, is your dog racist?

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 06:54 PM

Who called out Obama for being racist when he signed a bill that spent 600 million to improve border security?

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I think that Mexico's border policy is not racist because it is essentially nonexistent lol.

With a quick google search I found this:

Mexico's Immigration Law: Let's Try It Here at Home | Human Events

Time for both of us to do some fact checking. I wonder where you came up with that.

**Frownland** · 02-15-2017, 07:05 PM

I came up with that through my several experiences of going to Mexico with absolutely nothing stopping me and from friends of mine who are exclusively American citizens who routinely stay for months in Mexico. Not to mention that the punishment for it is still essentially zero: "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." Which in Mexico, means that you just have to bribe the cops 600 pesos (aka 60 dollars). They won't even deport you.

02-15-2017, 06:42 PM	#2325 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	The wall we currently have is a fence and the reason I said it won't be effective is because the majority of people illegally entering the country through Mexico tunnel their way in. A wall won't do zilch about tunnels (or ladders). __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

02-15-2017, 06:52 PM	#2327 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	If you buy a dog for the use of attacking black people, is your dog racist? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

02-15-2017, 07:05 PM	#2330 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I came up with that through my several experiences of going to Mexico with absolutely nothing stopping me and from friends of mine who are exclusively American citizens who routinely stay for months in Mexico. Not to mention that the punishment for it is still essentially zero: "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." Which in Mexico, means that you just have to bribe the cops 600 pesos (aka 60 dollars). They won't even deport you. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x