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Old 02-13-2017, 02:21 PM   #2201 (permalink)
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Look at his hiring history of his own organization and various initiatives. Would someone who despises non-whites ever hire them or promote them?
Just because he hires someone doesn't mean he likes them. I don't think you're remembering his blatant racism and sexist remarks during his campaign. Pretty convenient that you seem to not remember that at all actually.
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Just because he hires someone doesn't mean he likes them. I don't think you're remembering his blatant racism and sexist remarks during his campaign. Pretty convenient that you seem to not remember that at all actually.
His sexism might have been blatant, but god damn it his racism was subtle.
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Old 02-13-2017, 02:28 PM   #2203 (permalink)
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Just because he hires someone doesn't mean he likes them. I don't think you're remembering his blatant racism and sexist remarks during his campaign. Pretty convenient that you seem to not remember that at all actually.
"Blatant" racism? Where he said "some" illegal immigrants coming out of Mexico were rapists or drug dealers or cartel members? In the liberal news world, I guess that means that ALL Mexicans must be those things. But he never said "all" Mexicans now did he?

Again: bringing racism into the picture here assumes he is motivated by it. Did Hitler bring Jews into his inner circle? No. When you hate something, you will exclude it. Trump would never hire anyone in his organization who was a different race from himself if he really believed in what some of his opponents have claimed about him. He merely used fears that naturally align with racism in order to appeal to middle America.

I'm not trying to be mean to you here. I'm trying to demonstrate the difference between analyzing what is actually said versus analyzing an interpretation that a media outlet snipped out of a larger statement. If you are going to say Trump is motivated by racism and sexism, you need to provide evidence that those are his prime motivating factors. Looking at the whole pinata that represents Trump's actions throughout his life and including those he's made since becoming President, it doesn't look like those things are forces that drive him. His ego is so big I doubt he has room for anything else outside of his desire for wealth and attention.
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Correct. I don't think he hates Muslims or other races at all. He has a hyperbolic fear of radicals getting into the U.S. though.
And we're back to disagreeing. He has a hyperbolic fear of looking like anything less than amazing, beautiful, wonderful, awesome, (insert Trump adjective of choice here).

He ran his entire campaign on appealing to a scared white America by using "outsiders" as the enemy. Now that he's won he has to follow through on "The Wall" and "The Muslim Ban". Otherwise he'll look like a failure.

Trump hates nothing worse than looking bad or weak. Have we ever had a bigger ego running the White House? I'm not talking post election ego, but pre-election ego.
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What you're saying is basically the same as "murder is an experiment into whether or not the person will kill someone" but when they kill someone, it no longer counts as an experiment.
I'm not sure I said that at all. I think you are confused as to what entails an "experiment". Murder isn't an experiment because murder has one result - death.

You stated in one of your previous posts that once we have a conclusion, it's no longer an experiment. I suppose you clarified what you meant here, but it was confusing since an experiment is an experiment even when you have a conclusion.
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And we're back to disagreeing. He has a hyperbolic fear of looking like anything less than amazing, beautiful, wonderful, awesome, (insert Trump adjective of choice here).

He ran his entire campaign on appealing to a scared white America by using "outsiders" as the enemy. Now that he's won he has to follow through on "The Wall" and "The Muslim Ban". Otherwise he'll look like a failure.

Trump hates nothing worse than looking bad or weak. Have we ever had a bigger ego running the White House? I'm not talking post election ego, but pre-election ego.
See my last post. I actually agree with you mostly. I just didn't go into greater detail before.
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"Blatant" racism? Where he said "some" illegal immigrants coming out of Mexico were rapists or drug dealers or cartel members? In the liberal news world, I guess that means that ALL Mexicans must be those things.
Jesus Christ dude. He didn't use the word "some". He knew exactly what he was doing by broad brushing an entire country. He said "THEY'RE SENDING US THEIR RAPISTS AND DRUG DEALERS".

You're obviously a really smart guy but every now and then it seems you forget to put your glasses on. He had an agenda that worked perfectly with angry, white, scared, rural America.
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Jesus Christ dude. He didn't use the word "some". He knew exactly what he was doing by broad brushing an entire country. He said "THEY'RE SENDING US THEIR RAPISTS AND DRUG DEALERS".

You're obviously a really smart guy but every now and then it seems you forget to put your glasses on. He had an agenda that worked perfectly with angry, white, scared, rural America.
Unless every person in Mexico is a rapist and a drug dealer, that exact quote still supports what I've said. Also, read my whole post again. I was still adding to it.
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"Blatant" racism? Where he said "some" illegal immigrants coming out of Mexico were rapists or drug dealers or cartel members? In the liberal news world, I guess that means that ALL Mexicans must be those things. But he never said "all" Mexicans now did he?

I'm not trying to be mean to you here. I'm trying to demonstrate the difference between analyzing what is actually said versus analyzing an interpretation that a media outlet snipped out of a larger statement. If you are going to say Trump is motivated by racism and sexism, you need to provide evidence that those are his prime motivating factors.
His sexism comes from how he over all treats women even under the spot light. I'm not talking about the "Grab her by the pussy comment" because most of us have said much worse, but how he always talked about appearance when talking about women or claiming that reporter was on her period.

He didn't say some were bad. He said he's sure that a few of them are good.

Kind of like saying, I'm sure a few liberals aren't whiny pussies.
I'm sure a few conservatives aren't in the Klu Klux Klan.
I'm sure a few bands Ellphnor likes have talent.
I'm sure a few girls might sleep with Batlord.
I'm sure a few of Anteater's employees can afford to eat.
I'm sure a few children didn't turn Peter Scully on.
I'm sure a few Nickel Back songs don't make me want to blow my brains out.
I'm sure a few Justin Bieber fans are over 12.
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I'm not sure I said that at all. I think you are confused as to what entails an "experiment". Murder isn't an experiment because murder has one result - death.

You stated in one of your previous posts that once we have a conclusion, it's no longer an experiment. I suppose you clarified what you meant here, but it was confusing since an experiment is an experiment even when you have a conclusion.
I was just using a random comparison. I didn't want to make it seem like you were saying it.

I would say in this case, the experiment was based solely on the running and campaign of Donald Trump, and to see what he would do as president. Considering the campaign is over and he continues to try to do what he said he would do as president, I'd say the experiment is nearing a conclusion. At what point are we going to stop making it seem like it's something that could happen, and prepare for what has happened. People like to make the argument that "Trump won't get away with that." But what if he did? Are we just going to stand back and be like "well, it's not that bad." Just wait until people start dying because they can't get health insurance anymore.

My point is, just because none of what he's put forward effects you or some of us in the forum, we can't just assume it means nothing. If you were effected by the travel ban, I imagine your opinion would be vastly different than it is now.

And to Ant: You need to do some further reading if you really believe that Trump isn't as racist or sexist as the media portrays.
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