The Batlord

Duh. Doesn't matter. The poor don't vote your way because they give a **** about socialism. Take away their distrust of the Republican party and you get more Republicans. Or at least you get a fighting chance of them choosing social issues over economic ones.

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The Batlord

I think you just didn't know what I said. The poor choose economic issues now, but agree with the Republicans on social ones. Clear?

Conservatism isn't going to die just because the Republican party is currently losing the culture wars. Give it a generation and the party will have changed out of necessity. I suspect it will be less about white vs. everyone else, and more about the elite vs. the 99%. All it will take is reframing the argument along class culture lines rather than race culture. I suppose the Democrats could change back to supporting the working class rather than the liberal intellectuals, but it would probably easier for the Republicans to start supporting the poor rather than the Democrats to go back on their moral values and leave behind their social liberalism.

This is all conjecture of course, but the political lines have to bend sooner or later.

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The Batlord

The political demographics shifted decades ago, with Democrats switching from racist stances to socially liberal ones. So don't think that the current political demographics are static. The Democratic party is poised to take the lead in the near future if the current racial demographic continues to shift as it has, and so they don't really need to change too much, whereas the Republicans will be forced to drastically change their approach or die. And they will. The tipping point likely being when Texas flips due to rising Latino population.

If the Repubs drop the sneaky racial politics, boost their minority leadership numbers to include more Latinos, and start trying to relate to them on a personal/cultural level (i.e. "These liberals aren't your people since they care about gay marriage and abortion and feminism and atheism and whatnot, and not actually anything that you care about") then it's only a matter of time until they start gaining ground.

And white Southerners aren't all of a sudden going to flip Democrat just because their leaders are courting brown people, so the Republicans will have very little to lose and everything to gain by going this route.

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duga

I think you may be right, but it's still a gamble. The ideological shift between the parties you mentioned happened for just this reason - the Democrats elected a progressive Catholic in the 60s, so they freaked out and ran to the Republicans. Don't underestimate how self righteous and single minded the extremist bases of these parties can be.

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The Batlord

They also shifted because of unprecedented social reforms that ended segregation in an era when white Southerners were willing to support something like segregation. That's quite a bit more extreme than simply trying to make nice with Latinos. It is a gamble, but much less of one than in the past.

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duga

It's all relative. I feel like the people of the 60s were much more informed than people today. In a world where a large chunk of us don't believe in evolution, don't know that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing, and take the Bowling Green massacre as fact and run with it...favoring Latinos might be enough.

Like I said, you are probably right...but ****, no one thought Trump would be president. So I try to prepare for anything.

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Chula Vista

I've been alive for almost 57 years and have lived through a lot of ****. Kennedy's funeral on the B&W television being one of my earliest clear memories. Then Bobby, MLK, Vietnam, Watergate, Kent State, 72 Munich Olympics, and on and on and on and on......

Sitting in front of the television on election night and slowly seeing the results inch towards his victory was the only time in my life when the logical portion of my brain turned completely inside out.

It wasn't a gut punch like The Challenger or 9/11. It was more like realizing my country had once and for all truly lost its collective mind.

Just stating a perspective. Not looking for any debates.

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on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Chula Vista

From film producer Scott Mednick:

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

djchameleon

Of course it is different. The people working in industrial areas aren't doing well so they changed and went Republican this time hoping for a better outcome with their job situation. Also how do you think Trump won Florida? Latinos turned out for him. More Latinos voted for him than they voted for Romney back in 2012

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

Chula Vista

I call BS. The overwhelmingly latino sections of Florida voted Clinton. Trump won Florida because of the older Wonder Bread White retirees living out in all of the boondock counties.

Florida Election Results 2016: President Live Map by County, Real-Time Voting Updates - POLITICO

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”