Stephen

Thing that worries me about Trump is if his narcissism clouds his judgement and he decides he's so brilliant he couldn't possibly lose a war things could get real ugly.

Chula Vista

What did Trump do now? Trump got.....

DENIED

Unanimous decision by the 3 judges. I skimmed over the decision and they make some rock solid arguments, citing points over and over again where the Constitution supercedes a President's power to basically do whatever he wants.

And they list dozens of case law and precedent - which will be difficult for Trump's lawyers since what Trump's trying to do is...... wait for it......

Unprecedented.

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Frownland

Got a good source for the decision/arguments? I started reading something on NPR last night and didn't end up finishing it for whatever reason and I'm still pretty unsure of how his order was unconstitutional (even though I vehemently disagree with it).

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Anteater

I don't think his order violates the constitution either. After all, Obama managed to justify a ban of his own for "security" reasons half a decade ago. Regardless of how justified Obama made it seem back then, why weren't the courts up in arms about it?

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Chula Vista

Rather long but the conclusions toward the end are really strong.

Full text: 9th Circuit rules against reinstating travel ban - CNNPolitics.com

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Frownland

1: That wasn't a travel ban
2: There was an actual event that inspired that inspired the crackdown. Trump's is essentially giving him (or Bannon) 90 days to craft policy that he should have had planned months ago.
3: Two wrongs don't make a right

PS for Chula: the 9th circuit court has more overruled verdicts than any of the other circuits, I wouldn't rejoice yet.

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Chula Vista

Because it wasn't a ban. Stop listening listening to those trying to defend Trump's ban by citing Obama.

Big differences between Trump's immigration ban, Obama's 2011 policy - Business Insider

If anything what Trump's trying to do is unnecessary based on the work Obama did in 2011 to strengthen the policies for screening and immigration. Name a single terrorist act that took place here in the US from any of the seven countries that Trumps trying to ban. He needs to start focusing on domestic terrorism.

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Frownland

I love how so many people just despise every word that comes out of Obama's mouth...unless it has any kind of parallels to things Trump has said because dumb liberals!

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Chula Vista

Someone made a case that the Supreme Court will also deny his appeal because his tone so far towards the courts and judges - and how they need to assert their control now before he runs amuck.

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Frownland

If that informs their reasoning I hope that all members of the SCOTUS are stripped of their titles. I heard a great quote from Gorsuch on the subject: "A judge who likes every outcome he reaches is very likely a bad judge." Their decisions should be made based on law, not the fact that Trump was a little mean to them. I'd be totally ****ed if being a meanie was unconstitutional.

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