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Chula Vista · 02-01-2017, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Nope. The fundamental culture surrounding Islam has not evolved an iota in centuries, whereas (for the most part) Christianity has grown up and found a way to exist in the modern world without the Pope and other heads of different denominations aiming to decimate the "enemy". Yeah you have some minority nutjob denominations, but they generally keep to themselves and have no control over society, culture, etc. That is not the case at all with Islam today.

Unfortunately, many contemporary Muslims who don't care for the conquest-oriented rhetoric of their prophet are collateral damage in this battle against extremism. You could argue that they're "selective" readers and the equivalent of a "non-denominational" Christian who only reads the New Testament, but I digress. It's a complicated issue, but there's no solution where nobody gets hurt as long as you have thought leaders on the other side of the ocean who advocate for the type of society that Saudi Arabia has.

It doesn't matter if "historically" Christianity was violent: every religion has had its growing pains. That's not the point. The problem is we are living in the modern world yet Islam still hasn't gotten over its teething stage. If you go to Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iraq, etc. you see what societies structured by that belief system are like, you would not want to live in those societies. If you speak out against them and say they're not "really" following Islam, they'll cut off your head. That's the reality of the world we live in, so I'm sorry if you don't acknowledge that.

You really are a bigot. Although a somewhat cultured one. I wish you could read the **** you type through a 100% clear lens. I think you'd be a bit ashamed of yourself.

You do realize that there's approx. 1.5 billion people all over the planet who are of the muslim faith, right? In all countries including the USA. And that 99% of them are modernized, cultured like yourself, educated, hard working, and as peaceful as could be. You realize that right?

Put away your broad brush man.

Anteater · 02-01-2017, 10:10 AM

You guys have all completely missed the point. Why am I not surprised that liberals can't tell the difference between discussing PEOPLE and discussing IDEOLOGY. Question: Islam originated in "which" part of the world? That's what I thought. I agreed the world was full of peaceful awesome Muslims. I'm talking about a specific part of the world and ground zero for the purest form of cultural and religious ideology for the Islamic faith.

Oh wait, I'm a bigot for talking about problems in Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Whoops! I also made a comparison point to the peaceful majority's practicing of Islam to the non-denominational Christians. That's the path of co-existence. But what can I expect from people with zero reading comprehension? Good grief.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 02-01-2017, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

You really are a bigot. Although a somewhat cultured one. I wish you could read the **** you type through a 100% clear lens. I think you'd be a bit ashamed of yourself.

You do realize that there's approx. 1.5 billion people all over the planet who are of the muslim faith, right? In all countries including the USA. And that 99% of them are modernized, cultured like yourself, educated, hard working, and as peaceful as could be. You realize that right?

Put away your broad brush man.

You're conflating the ideology with the people. At least argue against the claim that was made.

**Frownland** · 02-01-2017, 10:12 AM

So it's cultural and not actually related to Islam? And that defining the whole of Islam off of a small segment of people in that religion is a pretty ignorant thing to do? Oh okay, I didn't realize we were agreeing here.

Anteater · 02-01-2017, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

So it's cultural and not actually related to Islam? And that defining the whole of Islam off of a small segment of people in that religion is a pretty ignorant thing to do? Oh okay, I didn't realize we were agreeing here.

Correct. Islam itself isn't the enemy, it's Wahhabism and related ideologies / interpretations of Islam.

One of the root issues is that you have a surprising amount of thought leaders in Islam itself who adhere to elements of Wahhabism, which is evidence that Islam as a whole is still going through the teething stage I discussed before. Since this ideology persists strongly in Islam's geological place of origin, I believe it contributes greatly to the violence we observe today.

**Frownland** · 02-01-2017, 10:31 AM

You have state-funded clerics in Saudi Arabia, yes, but using that as justification to suggest that Islam as a whole is culturally inferior to Christianity (let's just ignore Africa for now) ignores the diversity within Islam and, again, is very ignorant.

Also consider Christianity started in modern day Israel and look at where that country's at! It's almost like the country of origin isn't as relevant as a lot of people insist that it is when they want you to ignore the big picture.

Chula Vista · 02-01-2017, 10:37 AM

I hate it when me and Frownland see eye to eye.

Anteater · 02-01-2017, 10:39 AM

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Also consider Christianity started in modern day Israel and look at where that country's at! It's almost like the country of origin isn't as relevant as a lot of people insist that it is when they want you to ignore the big picture.

And I love it when wonderful fellows like Frownland point out what I've already said in regards to the evolution of Christianity.

I already explained the big picture: Islam will never get to the point where Christianity is at as long as Wahhabism and related ideologies / interpretations of Islam continue to dominate the global conversation. I doubt you'd have so much fear of Islam worldwide if you could just take that one "part" of the diversity out of the equation. Take one or two bad apples out of the barrel and the whole stigma disappears.

(I'm agnostic by the way...not that anyone cares)

Chula Vista · 02-01-2017, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

You're conflating the ideology with the people. At least argue against the claim that was made.

Muslim's are of the Islamic faith. Therefore Muslim = Islam.

Christians are of the biblical faith. Therefore Christian = Bible.

**Frownland** · 02-01-2017, 10:42 AM

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And I love it when people point out what I've already said in regards to the evolution of Christianity.

I already explained the big picture: Islam will never get to the point where Christianity is at as long as Wahhabism and related ideologies / interpretations of Islam continue to dominate the global conversation. I doubt you'd have so much fear of Islam worldwide if you could just take that one "part" of the diversity out of the equation.

Without a violent approach I doubt that Islam could reach Christianity's levels of popularity. It's how the Christians had to do it.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	So it's cultural and not actually related to Islam? And that defining the whole of Islam off of a small segment of people in that religion is a pretty ignorant thing to do? Oh okay, I didn't realize we were agreeing here. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	You have state-funded clerics in Saudi Arabia, yes, but using that as justification to suggest that Islam as a whole is culturally inferior to Christianity (let's just ignore Africa for now) ignores the diversity within Islam and, again, is very ignorant. Also consider Christianity started in modern day Israel and look at where that country's at! It's almost like the country of origin isn't as relevant as a lot of people insist that it is when they want you to ignore the big picture. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	I hate it when me and Frownland see eye to eye. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”