What Did President Trump Do Now?

djchameleon · 01-29-2017, 09:16 AM

He hasn't. The travel bans are basically religious tests. When you ban people from coming in from Muslim majority countries that infringes on freedom of religion especially the people that already went through the proper channels to get US Visas.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-29-2017, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

He hasn't. The travel bans are basically religious tests. When you ban people from coming in from Muslim majority countries that infringes on freedom of religion especially the people that already went through the proper channels to get US Visas.

Why does it? Would it apply if he banned people from Italy?

Trollheart · 01-29-2017, 10:28 AM

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Hi Anteater! Good to see you posting again after a long absence!

Yes, hidden deceptions are very worrying, of course, but they do indicate that politicians feel there's some accountability to the public. There's a limit to what they can get away with, hence the need to hide things.

Some of Trump's announcements remind me of things from Soviet era totalitarianism - that there is no need for the official version to reflect the facts, that factual debate is irrelevant.

Two and two are four. And if the Party should say two and two are five, what then?

djchameleon · 01-29-2017, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Why does it? Would it apply if he banned people from Italy?

Ask yourself is Italy a Muslim majority country?

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-29-2017, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Ask yourself is Italy a Muslim majority country?

I think you've missed the point to be honest.

djchameleon · 01-29-2017, 11:37 AM

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I think you've missed the point to be honest.

Why are you discussing non Muslims? What's your point?

Trollheart · 01-29-2017, 11:48 AM

I'm with DJ on this one. It's pretty clear Trump is not trying to stop immigration per se, at least not yet; he's trying to stop what he sees as a specific religious group or one affiliated with (or believed to be affiliated with) one which promotes terrorism. It's clearly whatever religious profiling would be called - faith profiling? Anyway, it has nothing to do with Italy, France, Germany or Spain (though the last is a historically Muslim country)... it's about what he sees as stopping the spread of "Muslim/Islamist refugees (read, terrorists)" into America and thus keeping her safer.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-29-2017, 11:49 AM

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Why are you discussing non Muslims? What's your point?

You said banning people from Muslim majority countries is infringing on freedom of religion (because most of them happen to be Muslims) so I'm asking if you would also consider it an infringement on freedom of religion if he banned people coming from Italy as they are majority Catholic.

01-29-2017, 11:48 AM	#7 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	I'm with DJ on this one. It's pretty clear Trump is not trying to stop immigration per se, at least not yet; he's trying to stop what he sees as a specific religious group or one affiliated with (or believed to be affiliated with) one which promotes terrorism. It's clearly whatever religious profiling would be called - faith profiling? Anyway, it has nothing to do with Italy, France, Germany or Spain (though the last is a historically Muslim country)... it's about what he sees as stopping the spread of "Muslim/Islamist refugees (read, terrorists)" into America and thus keeping her safer. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018