Frownland

I don't see/hear as much about immigrants being dangerous as I do hear about immigrants being responsible for the ****ty hiring methods of the labor industry in the Southwest(like paying below minimum wage to people who can't report you, high rotation, etc.).

And tbh, if you refine your bubble enough you can end up to believe anything.

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Trollheart

I'm going to ask a stupid question now (oh how surprising I hear you all say) but it's something I don't know as I wasn't there, and you may, as you were there. Well, some of you. Anyway...

With all these protests of "not my president", were there not any when Obama was elected? I mean, surely if there could be one event certain to polarise American opinion it would be a black man being elected their commander-in-chief? But did these protests take place? And if not, why all the savage sentiment about Trump? I get people hate him and fear him, and why they would protest, but honestly, if the whites (let's say radical whites) didn't do this over Obama, is it a bit OTT to be doing it over Trump? Sure, you don't agree with his policies and think he will lead America to disaster, but hasn't everyone on the other side thought that if their candidate didn't win?

Go gentle on me: like I say, I'm not American and don't understand these things. We don't got the depth of feeling about politics that you guys have.

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Chula Vista

Just google "Obama Protests after Election" and then click on images. It beyond brutal. Trump's getting a love tap by comparison.

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Frownland

They did but not anywhere near the same turnout as Trump's protests.

1: it's better to base your actions on what you think would be best, not based on how the other side acted almost a decade ago.
2: media hype shouting that he rapes babies on live TV and gets away with it can whip an echo-chamber resident into a frenzy.

It's a matter of making your voice heard, which is especially important in this divisive election.

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Frownland

The stone-faced irony of Democrats clinging to every Trump conspiracy after eight years of telling Republicans to stfu about king Obama almost makes my head explode.

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Frownland

It absolutely is the same level of childishness.

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The Batlord

Final proof that is not needed that neither side is dumber than the other, because all of humankind is dumber than a box of rocks as it is.

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Frownland

Same kind of crowd. Have we already forgotten about the golden showers?

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riseagainstrocks

I think you're constructing a, I'm going to say it, false equivalency here.

Donald Trump is on the record has having done: insert laundry list here.

Barack Obama is a black guy with an Arab-sounding middle name.

And unlike the 'birther' claims, there are legitimate links between Trump and Russia. There is no Paul Manafort equivalent for Obama. Much like there is no 'Judge Curiel can't do his job effectively because he's Mexican', 'my political opponent will be in jail once I'm elected', 'Khan's wife couldn't speak in public because she's Muslim', etc. etc. equivalent.

'Yellowatergate' or whatever it's being called, yeah, that's likely nonsense. But it would be acting par for the course if they didn't let that go the entirety of the 4-8 years of Trump's administration. I don't think they should, but the hypocrisy goes both ways here. Probably a bit more toward the Right.

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Frownland

Obama's father was from Kenya, so that would be the equivalent for people to justify taking full advantage of their own confirmation bias.

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