What Did President Trump Do Now?

DwnWthVwls · 01-10-2017, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

He's basically empowering all of the jerks we have in society.

How is he empowering them?

**Frownland** · 01-10-2017, 01:49 PM

What is different now that wasn't true before now that da jurks are empowered?

The Batlord · 01-10-2017, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

How is he empowering them?

I suggest you ask the person who wrote the article that Chula took that from cause I doubt he knows.

DwnWthVwls · 01-10-2017, 01:51 PM

Chula points out so often how Hillary won the popular vote. Chances are that every racist bigoted asshole that Trump "empowers" there are 2-3 SJW to counteract them.

riseagainstrocks · 01-10-2017, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Also, no evidence linking the Russian Government to election tampering: https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/defaul...-2016-1229.pdf

I'm not sure where you saw that statement. I skimmed the thirteen or so pages, so if I missed it, I missed it, but where is it conclusively stated that there is no evidence the Russian Government attempted to/did tamper in the election?

Outside of the obvious bad omen of foreign, malign influence in the US election, I don't think the actions of these hackers had much appreciable effect. The 'fake news' is what really killed discourse here. False statements about Benghazi, false statements about the contents of John Podesta's email, false stories about Hillary being complicit in the "murder" of Vince Foster.

Look, the election is over. Donald Trump won according to the system that we have in place. I don't know why it's so important to you and others in this thread to try and convince people that all the things that were said and done weren't said and done. He bragged about using his fame to force himself on women. He used the power of the bully pulpit to belittle the press, openly question America's obligations to treatied allies, and yes, use a reporter's handicap as a prop in insulting him. If the reporter had a thick Nigerian accent and Trump copied that while saying 'I don't remember', would that be ok? What if they were Japanese and he used his fingers to give himself 'asian eyes' while insulting the reporter? Is that also something we should get over? His choice to mimic spasms gives you insight into the way he sees the world, where appearance is as important as ideas. Might be true in business (although his track record is quite spotty), but certainly doesn't work with policy. Not that he's demonstrated much interest in actual governing

The President is essentially Diplomat-in-Chief. We have a Secretary of State because POTUS is needed to fill other roles, but first and foremost he's a statesman, the embodiment of the American people, our spirit, and our values. The people can act spiteful and mean-spirited and churlish all they want. But the President shouldn't. Beyond decorum, beyond tradition, it's just what's right. Instead we have a man bogged down by his ego, given to petty insults, and ad hominem attacks.

My other arguments seem to have been ignored here. Not sure if it's because no one has any counters they'd like to offer or if it's more fun just to shout at how the other person is a fascist or a cuck. Idk.

DwnWthVwls · 01-10-2017, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

Is that also something we should get over? His choice to mimic spasms gives you insight into the way he sees the world, where appearance is as important as ideas.

In reality, it's true. Not that I agree with the idea, but I'd be a fool to deny it's part of American culture (possibly even human nature??). For less offensive examples, you can look at our desire for symmetry, effects of color, etc..

Chula Vista · 01-10-2017, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

How is he empowering them?

**Frownland** · 01-10-2017, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Explain it to us like we're kindergarteners, oh wise one.

DwnWthVwls · 01-10-2017, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

This is why Frown mocks you. That's not an answer.

In case you didn't notice, I don't follow politics. I pop my head in here every once in a while in a lazy attempt to have other people keep me informed. It was a legitimate question, and all you gave was a stupid answer.

riseagainstrocks · 01-10-2017, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

In reality, it's true. Not that I agree with the idea, but I'd be a fool to deny it's part of American culture (possibly even human nature??). For less offensive examples, you can look at our desire for symmetry, effects of color, etc..

I certainly agree to that when it comes to entertainment, fashion, etc. In the natural world, appearance and reality are intimately related. The shape of foods, our natural affection for chubby faces and big eyes (babies!), etc.

The problem, and it's not unique to Trump - he's just an out-sized offender, is when you substitute appearance for policy. The wall is a perfect example. The appearance of the wall riles up his crowds. 'It'll be huge and won't cost you a cent!' Cue cheering and nativist chanting. But the policy behind this construction project is messy, costly, time-consuming, and, depending on who you listen to, likely to be harmful to our economy.

heavy.com
Politifact
The Economist

And you can always google the well-researched (and I think hilarious) John Oliver breakdown of the wall's cost.

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