What Did President Trump Do Now?

Anteater · 01-07-2017, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

CNN has been a lot more balanced this election cycle by hiring Trump/GOP supporters to be part of their discussion panels.

Scottie Nell Hughes, Corey Lewandowski, Kayleigh McEnany, Jeffery Lord, and Jack Kingston are all featured nightly to counter the liberal opinion.

So how come we're not discussing the US Intelligence Report that was released yesterday that concluded that Russia/Putin was behind the hacking for the main purpose of hurting Clinton
and helping Trump? Pretty ****ing major news if you asked me. Have ya all seen this?

Fox News regularly features Democrats or Left-leaning individuals for the sake of "balance" too. Doesn't mean I'm gonna consider them a balanced breakfast.

I've seen that report...and you know what it ultimately amounts to? Nothing, because Russia and China were supposedly involved in the hacking long before Trump was even considered seriously as a potential Republican candidate. And even then their influence is minimal at best. Had it not been Trump, Putin would have simply shifted to whoever ended up being the nominee. Assuming you buy the facts as presented anyway.

All in all, this hacking situation is the result of ongoing security incompetence and foreign policy failure from the past two administrations, especially the Democrats. It's a shame neither the government nor the Clintons have enough common sense to spend the money on the right IT consultants. But they can't afford me or my family's company I guess, so oh well...

Chula Vista · 01-07-2017, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Fox News regularly features Democrats or Left-leaning individuals for the sake of "balance" too. Doesn't mean I'm gonna consider them a balanced breakfast.

All I said was that CNN had gotten better this past election. I didn't say I swallow everything they report. They use to be more like MSNBC. They were definitely more palatable this time around.

Chula Vista · 01-07-2017, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

I've seen that report...and you know what it ultimately amounts to? Nothing,

Says the Trump groupie........

Another opinion:

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The US intelligence community concluded that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an "influence campaign" to harm Hillary Clinton's chances of winning the 2016 election.

The declassified reported, released Friday, determined with "high confidence" that Russia's interference -- consisting of hacking Democratic groups and individuals and releasing that information via third-party websites, including WikiLeaks -- helped President-elect Donald Trump win the election.
Here are some of the highlights from the report.

1. Goal was to undermine US faith in democratic process
"We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump."

2. Effort was ordered by Putin
"We assess that influence campaigns are approved at the highest levels of the Russian government - particularly those that would be politically sensitive."

3. Putin's grudge
"Putin most likely wanted to discredit Secretary Clinton because he has publicly blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime in late 2011 and early 2012, and because he holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him."

4. A 'significant escalation'
"Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential election represent the most recent expression of Moscow's longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, but these activities demonstrated a significant escalation in directness, level of activity, and scope of effort compared to previous operations."

5. Paid social media trolls
"Moscow's influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations -- such as cyberactivity -- with overt efforts by Russian government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries and paid social media users or 'trolls.'"

6. #DemocracyRIP
"Before the election, Russian diplomats had publicly denounced the US electoral process and were prepared to publicly call into question the validity of the results. ProKremlin bloggers had prepared a Twitter campaign, #DemocracyRIP, on election night in anticipation of Secretary Clinton's victory, judging from their social media activity."

7. Russian media involvement
"Russian media hailed President-elect Trump's victory as a vindication of Putin's advocacy of global populist movements - the theme of Putin's annual conference for Western academics in October 2016 -- and the latest example of Western liberalism's collapse."

8. Beyond the US
"Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes."

9. Other US targets
"We assess Russian intelligence services will continue to develop capabilities to provide Putin with options to use against the United States, judging from past practice and current efforts. Immediately after Election Day, we assess Russian intelligence began a spearphishing campaign targeting US government employees and individuals associated with US think tanks and NGOs in national security, defense, and foreign policy fields."

10. Putin and WikiLeaks
"In early September, Putin said publicly it was important the DNC data was exposed to Wikileaks, calling the search for the source of the leaks a distraction and denying Russian 'state-level' involvement."

Anteater · 01-07-2017, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Says the Trump groupie........

That's funny coming from a shill who can't be bothered to respond to any of the points I've previously made. Furthermore, you seem to have myopic reasoning abilities. Or maybe you just lack reading comprehension? That report basically amounts to "Russia spent money on websites and Facebook ads hoping people wouldn't vote for Hillary". Their disinformation campaign, if you even want to call it that, was a complete waste of time.

Unless Putin somehow hacked Time Warner and The Huffington Post, there is absolutely nothing they could have done to influence the election in any meaningful way, especially when Trump got billions in free advertising from the networks trying to tear him down whilst Hillary got a fraction of the coverage overall. Unless Podesta being a complete moron and clicking on a phishing email demonstrates Russia's elite strategy? If you support that kind of carelessness in government that eclipses even the Republican Party, then you deserved to lose.

Again, all the evidence points to Russia simply taking advantage of a careless, incompetent Democratic Party and an equally incompetent administration. Both of which are supported by brainwashed fools like you who refuse to recognize the underlying problems your representatives create that allowed these hacks to take place and pave the way for someone like Trump to get elected.

On a more positive note though...if Trump can capitalize upon the leverage we have against Russia, then Putin's "strategy" becomes even more hilarious because he got the wrong guy into office based on a petty, personal vendetta against the Clintons. That, my friend, would be quite amusing!

djchameleon · 01-07-2017, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Wonder how big Donald's dong is though.

Based on his hand size very small.

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Bet it is

USA about to be run by a massive cock

? Ronald didn't win the Presidency.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Russia's always been doing this kind of thing, what's the big deal!? I mean, you guys didn't seem too worried when Hillary was opening us up for war for the same reason, why the double standard?

The big deal is the bigger implications of what was done and what they could do in the future. Yes, I mainly see it as reasoning for us to step up our security efforts but just because they have been doing this kind of thing in the past doesn't mean we should just say "oh well let's let them continue doing it because we are big pushovers".

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I don't think it's a real concern I just think "Russian Puppet" is too awesome to pass up on

I used to go around saying that but when I actually thought about it from a geopolitical point of view. Russia doesn't have much to gain/offer when it comes to working with the US.

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Originally Posted by Anteater

If Trump can capitalize upon the leverage we have against Russia, then Putin's "strategy" becomes even more hilarious because he got the wrong guy into office based on a petty, personal vendetta against the Clintons.

What leverage? What can he possibly gain from working with Russia? It feels like Putin's using him to his advantage but I'm just not quite sure what that advantage is yet. Like the Donald would say "to be continued.." We shall see very soon. Russia continues to take aggressive stabs at everyone around the world including the US and people on the right thinks we should just buddy up with Russia and work with them after Putin pretty much took his dick out and slapped us in the face then ****ed our collective mother.

Anteater · 01-07-2017, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

What leverage? What can he possibly gain from working with Russia? It feels like Putin's using him to his advantage but I'm just not quite sure what that advantage is yet. Like the Donald would say "to be continued.." We shall see very soon. Russia continues to take aggressive stabs at everyone around the world including the US and people on the right thinks we should just buddy up with Russia and work with them after Putin pretty much took his dick out and slapped us in the face then ****ed our collective mother.

Russia's economy is in the crapper and we have the keys that Putin wants in order to turn his country around. This is something we can use, and even if Trump doesn't see the big picture, Rex Tillerson does. Furthermore, Russia would be a useful tool to deal with the elements of the Islamic State (as well as ISIS) that fuel most the world's terrorism.

There's a lot of people worried that America would become a puppet state to Russia, but those same people are also clueless about how government actually works and what is and isn't at stake. We hold all the cards, which is why Russia is desperate to do anything to try to improve their situation. China, on the other hand, is honestly a much bigger problem overall. If we aren't careful with them we'll be looking at a real life analogue to The Man In The High Castle within half a century.

Chula Vista · 01-07-2017, 08:18 PM

Rex Tillerson? The guy that stands to make billions by lifting US sanctions against Russia? Your red is burning brightly tonight.

djchameleon · 01-07-2017, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Russia's economy is in the crapper and we have the keys that Putin wants in order to turn his country around. This is something we can use, and even if Trump doesn't see the big picture, Rex Tillerson does. Furthermore, Russia would be a useful tool to deal with the elements of the Islamic State (as well as ISIS) that fuel most the world's terrorism.

There's a lot of people worried that America would become a puppet state to Russia, but those same people are also clueless about how government actually works and what is and isn't at stake. We hold all the cards, which is why Russia is desperate to do anything to try to improve their situation. China, on the other hand, is honestly a much bigger problem overall. If we aren't careful with them we'll be looking at a real life analogue to The Man In The High Castle within half a century.

Explain why China is a bigger problem. I've heard people spout that but they never go into detail. Yes I know they own a lot of bonds from us but I feel like economically they are in a weaker position than Russia atm.

Anteater · 01-07-2017, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Explain why China is a bigger problem. I've heard people spout that but they never go into detail. Yes I know they own a lot of bonds from us but I feel like economically they are in a weaker position than Russia atm.

There's multiple factors and angles depending on where you focus on. The fact our entertainment industry (especially Hollywood) seem to spend more and more money on films that appeal to Chinese audiences is one trend. Other points of interest are economic (our debts to them, the bonds you mentioned, etc.). And then there's the real estate angle:

Forbes: Chinese investment in U.S. real estate is going strong - October 31st, 2016

A lot of economists simply think that a combination of these factors are a disaster for us in the long run because it gradually gives China more and more leverage over us from different fronts.

01-07-2017, 08:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Rex Tillerson? The guy that stands to make billions by lifting US sanctions against Russia? Your red is burning brightly tonight. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”