What Did President Trump Do Now?

**Frownland** · 07-11-2017, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

That's my point. I think Congress on his side are going to start slinking away from the guy as the stench gets worse and worse.

Hell, even before all of this he hasn't been able to get anything done through Congress. And Neil Gorsuch doesn't count. A chipmunk could have been the GOP president and Gorsuch would have been confirmed.

I understand what you mean, but pushing through an impeachment on shaky legal grounds is going to be just as or even more politically unsound as standing by Trump.

**Frownland** · 07-11-2017, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Sanctuary citiy policies only apply to the local law enforcement. On a state and federal level, there is nothing that those policies can do to stop the feds coming in. So it isn't unconstitutional.

If immigration is a federally handled issue, then any immigration laws issued by smaller forms of government are unconstitutional

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Chula Vista · 07-11-2017, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I undetstand what you mean, but pushing through an impeachment on shaky grounds is going to be just as or even moreso politically unsound as standing by Trump.

It's been less than a year. We're in a drip drip drip process. Sooner or later the puddle is going to get pretty damn big. And it's raining right now.

When asked about the mood of GOP folks on Capital Hill this morning the two words used were "errosion" and "corrosion" of support for the President.

OccultHawk · 07-11-2017, 02:24 PM

Talk ain't never been cheaper.

**Frownland** · 07-11-2017, 02:24 PM

Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds

OccultHawk · 07-11-2017, 02:45 PM

I agree. The press acting like this is airtight is lol.

Chula Vista · 07-11-2017, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds

KNOCK! KNOCK! KNOCK!

The Senate handles impeachment proceedings.

Kushner lied on his forms to get security clearance.
Trump Jr. lied on his forms to get security clearance.
Michael Flynn lied about Russian connections.
Jeff Sessions lied about Russian connections.
Paul Manafort lied about Russian connections.
And on and on.......

Trump has two options:
1. Pleads ignorance and looks stupid and incompetent and completey out of control of his presidential campaign and current cabinet.
2. Owns up and becomes the biggest liar of them all.

Trump Jr. committed a crime. Manafort and Kushner were in on it. As soon as a foreign government reached out and basically said "We can help you win", the FBI should have been brought in.

The absolute worst thing to do was to respond with "Awesome!"

That is so black and white illegal it's not debatable. Maybe not in the word for word court of law, but the Senate can determine that this **** is not presidential. Doesn't serve the American people. Doesn't help our standing on the International stage. Is just plain wrong on every level.

It's not "conviction", for the third time. It's impeachment.

**Frownland** · 07-11-2017, 03:04 PM

I can repeat things too
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds
Not supporting the president =/= will to convict him on weak legal grounds

Also, you can be impeached and not convicted of the crime you are impeached for, like Clinton did.

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That is so black and white illegal it's not debatable.

Uh, no. For reasons already stated that you'll continue to ignore.

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Maybe not in the word for word court of law

Which would make it so debatable that it ceases being a black and white issue.

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Senate can determine that this **** is not presidential. Doesn't serve the American people. Doesn't help our standing on the International stage. Is just plain wrong on every level.

I find it inspiring that you think the Senate will take it upon itself to determine this, but your wishful thinking is only going to set you up for disappointment, sorry bro.

OccultHawk · 07-11-2017, 03:08 PM

lock it up Jan

Chula Vista · 07-11-2017, 03:28 PM

Are you drunk? You're not paying any attention to my context. You are just arguing at this point.

Foreign governments are not allowed to be involved in influencing a US election.

It's illegal.

Once again, here's the text of the email that Trump Jr. responded to with "AWESOME!"

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The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

Are you purposely being obtuse just to debate, or are you really this obtuse. Please count to 10 and take a few deep breaths before responding.

I'm not trying to fight you. I'm just trying to apply logic about something that is so wrong on so many levels.

You cool with the fact that one of our 2-3 biggest enemies on the planet, and an ugly regime/country might have ultimately helped elect our current leader?

And we are already paying for it. The Senate just voted to keep Russian sanctions in place and Trump is currently trying to find a way to veto it.

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