What Did President Trump Do Now?

OccultHawk · 07-11-2017, 01:07 PM

Chula

What do you think will happen to Don Jr.?

**Frownland** · 07-11-2017, 01:09 PM

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A former Federal Prosecutor summed it up really well a while ago. The rules read "money or other things of value that can influence a campaign". Information to damage your opponent, and aid you, is a thing of value.

The bolded will be essentially impossible to establish in court given the lack of legislation and the 2010 ruling that limited the rule to bribes and kickbacks.

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And Junior already acknowledged the emails are legit. His defense is that "nothing really came of the meeting, is was basically gibberish".

Ja, I absolutely do not consider DTJ to be reliable, sorry we can't agree on that.

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The Prosecutor used the analogy that "just because you break into a bank and find out there's no money, doesn't absolve you of a crime".

Analogies are nice but are far from legislation that courts rely on to make their decisions. I don't see a case here.

Chula Vista · 07-11-2017, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Chula

What do you think will happen to Don Jr.?

Daddy is going to throw him, Manafort, and Kushner under the bus and plead ignorance about the whole thing.

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Ja, I absolutely do not consider DTJ to be reliable, sorry we can't agree on that.

So he's lying and/or made up the emails which are going to bring a ton of crap down on his head?

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Analogies are nice but are far from legislation that courts rely on to make their decisions. I don't see a case here.

This is not going to come down to a Federal court. It's going to come down to the court of public opinion and the Senate. It's going to get harder and harder for GOP senators to back Trump since he and his team have repeatedly lied to them and made them look bad to their constituents.

The key thing is how many Americans continue to have this recent apathy towards Russia. The more people that wake up and remember that Russia is not only an enemy, but also a terrible regime, the better.

How whacked is it that older folks in southern or rural states who voted for Trump have been blinded about history and are now buying Trump's Russia sales pitch.

**Frownland** · 07-11-2017, 01:37 PM

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So he's lying and/or made up the emails which are going to bring a ton of crap down on his head?

Potentially. My philosophy is that people with a history of dishonesty have far higher standards to meet than normal before I can trust them. I'm not going to say that it's a false flag but I'm not going to say that it's totally true either.

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This is not going to come down to a Federal court. It's going to come down to the court of public opinion and the Senate.

Oh. In that case, Trump will never be impeached, let alone have a trial.

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It's going to get harder and harder for GOP senators to back Trump since he and his team have repeatedly lied to them and made them look bad to their constituents.

I can't be certain of any outcome in this day and age. Given that your assumption is true, how well do you think impeaching someone over something that isn't illegal will go with constituents?

Chula Vista · 07-11-2017, 01:56 PM

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In that case, Trump will never be impeached.

How so? Read up on the impeachment hearings on Nixon, Clinton, and Jackson. In retrospect this issue is far worse than both Clinton and Jackson and on par with Nixon IMO.

Audio of today's White House press briefing:

Reporter: Question about bombshell.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I'm going to refer you to outside counsel.
Reporter: Question about bombshell.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I'm going to refer you to outside counsel.
Reporter: Question about bombshell.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I'm going to refer you to outside counsel.
Reporter: Question about bombshell.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I'm going to refer you to outside counsel.
Reporter: Question about bombshell.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I'm going to refer you to outside counsel.
Reporter: Question about bombshell.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I'm going to refer you to outside counsel.
Reporter: Question about bombshell.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I'm going to refer you to outside counsel.

**Frownland** · 07-11-2017, 01:58 PM

All of those previous impeachments and impeachment attempts had a Congress on the opposite side of the aisle from them, unlike Trump. That's my reasoning for that particular pithy statement.

And Johnson's impeachment was BS imo. It was essentially entrapment.

**Exo** · 07-11-2017, 01:58 PM

The good news about all this drama is that nothing is getting done.

This is also the bad news.

Chula Vista · 07-11-2017, 02:09 PM

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All of those previous impeachments and impeachment attempts had a Congress on the opposite side of the aisle from them, unlike Trump.

That's my point. I think Congress on his side are going to start slinking away from the guy as the stench gets worse and worse.

Hell, even before all of this he hasn't been able to get anything done through Congress. And Neil Gorsuch doesn't count. A chipmunk could have been the GOP president and Gorsuch would have been confirmed.

djchameleon · 07-11-2017, 02:10 PM

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So it's better to let do Russia whatever they want in future elections as opposed to putting something in place that might hold them to some level of accountability? Elphenor-logic...

You honestly think whatever is put in place by the person working on it will hold them accountable. You got to be kidding me.

It is like putting a wolf in charge of guarding sheep.

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You forgot TPP.

While I agree with the concept for sanctuary cities (the actual concept, not the hyperbolized version that many present it as), they're unconstitutional because immigration is a federal issue. Arizona got **** for taking things into their own hands, the same logic ought to apply to sanctuary cities. Unless it makes it all the way to the Supreme Court and a new precedent of states (and by extension, cities) having freedom to make their own immigration laws.

Sanctuary citiy policies only apply to the local law enforcement. On a state and federal level, there is nothing that those policies can do to stop the feds coming in. So it isn't unconstitutional.

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What we're seeing is more like a war between differing corporate agendas rather than a fight for the preservation of truth. There won't be a "glorious rebirth" of truth or media ethics, but you'll definitely see some key players in the mainstream media start to tank as ratings continue to fall because they are seen as obstructionist to Trump trying to make America a "safer" place or whatnot. But just remember: the media created Trump and put him where he is right now. And what's worse is, they can't put the genie back in the bottle. The more you look at it, the more inevitable our current situation seems to be.

The only reason Trump is trying so hard to discredit MSM is so that whenever he lies to the public with half truths on Twitter. He believes that his supporters will take his word for it over whatever the MSM reports. Dictatorship 101. Controlling the media.

Chula Vista · 07-11-2017, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

The only reason Trump is trying so hard to discredit MSM is so that whenever he lies to the public with half truths on Twitter. He believes that his supporters will take his word for it over whatever the MSM reports. Dictatorship 101. Controlling the media.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	All of those previous impeachments and impeachment attempts had a Congress on the opposite side of the aisle from them, unlike Trump. That's my reasoning for that particular pithy statement. And Johnson's impeachment was BS imo. It was essentially entrapment. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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Exo All day jazz and biscuits Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 7,354	The good news about all this drama is that nothing is getting done. This is also the bad news. __________________ LastFM SUPREME POO BAH MODERATOR EXTRAORDINAIRE