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Chula

What do you think will happen to Don Jr.?

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Frownland

The bolded will be essentially impossible to establish in court given the lack of legislation and the 2010 ruling that limited the rule to bribes and kickbacks.

Ja, I absolutely do not consider DTJ to be reliable, sorry we can't agree on that.

Analogies are nice but are far from legislation that courts rely on to make their decisions. I don't see a case here.

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Chula Vista

Daddy is going to throw him, Manafort, and Kushner under the bus and plead ignorance about the whole thing.

So he's lying and/or made up the emails which are going to bring a ton of crap down on his head?

This is not going to come down to a Federal court. It's going to come down to the court of public opinion and the Senate. It's going to get harder and harder for GOP senators to back Trump since he and his team have repeatedly lied to them and made them look bad to their constituents.

The key thing is how many Americans continue to have this recent apathy towards Russia. The more people that wake up and remember that Russia is not only an enemy, but also a terrible regime, the better.

How whacked is it that older folks in southern or rural states who voted for Trump have been blinded about history and are now buying Trump's Russia sales pitch.

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Frownland

Potentially. My philosophy is that people with a history of dishonesty have far higher standards to meet than normal before I can trust them. I'm not going to say that it's a false flag but I'm not going to say that it's totally true either.

Oh. In that case, Trump will never be impeached, let alone have a trial.

I can't be certain of any outcome in this day and age. Given that your assumption is true, how well do you think impeaching someone over something that isn't illegal will go with constituents?

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Chula Vista

How so? Read up on the impeachment hearings on Nixon, Clinton, and Jackson. In retrospect this issue is far worse than both Clinton and Jackson and on par with Nixon IMO.

Audio of today's White House press briefing:

Reporter: Question about bombshell.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I'm going to refer you to outside counsel.
Reporter: Question about bombshell.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I'm going to refer you to outside counsel.
Reporter: Question about bombshell.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I'm going to refer you to outside counsel.
Reporter: Question about bombshell.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I'm going to refer you to outside counsel.
Reporter: Question about bombshell.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I'm going to refer you to outside counsel.
Reporter: Question about bombshell.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I'm going to refer you to outside counsel.
Reporter: Question about bombshell.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: I'm going to refer you to outside counsel.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

All of those previous impeachments and impeachment attempts had a Congress on the opposite side of the aisle from them, unlike Trump. That's my reasoning for that particular pithy statement.

And Johnson's impeachment was BS imo. It was essentially entrapment.

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Exo

The good news about all this drama is that nothing is getting done.

This is also the bad news.

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Chula Vista

That's my point. I think Congress on his side are going to start slinking away from the guy as the stench gets worse and worse.

Hell, even before all of this he hasn't been able to get anything done through Congress. And Neil Gorsuch doesn't count. A chipmunk could have been the GOP president and Gorsuch would have been confirmed.

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

djchameleon

You honestly think whatever is put in place by the person working on it will hold them accountable. You got to be kidding me.

It is like putting a wolf in charge of guarding sheep.

Sanctuary citiy policies only apply to the local law enforcement. On a state and federal level, there is nothing that those policies can do to stop the feds coming in. So it isn't unconstitutional.

The only reason Trump is trying so hard to discredit MSM is so that whenever he lies to the public with half truths on Twitter. He believes that his supporters will take his word for it over whatever the MSM reports. Dictatorship 101. Controlling the media.

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Chula Vista

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on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”