What Did President Trump Do Now?

**Frownland** · 01-07-2017, 08:24 PM

Line in the sand (no Chula, not head in the sand). No fly zones. Unwillingness for any Russian diplomacy. Kind of a no brainer really.

Chula Vista · 01-07-2017, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Line in the sand. No fly zones. Unwillingness for any Russian diplomacy.

Do some research instead of relying on talking points.

Clinton says she was gone for the 'red line' in Syria incident | PolitiFact

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“If you impose a no-fly zone, how do you respond to their concerns?” Wallace asked. “Secondly, if you impose a no-fly zone and a Russian plane violates that, does President Clinton shoot that plane down?”

Clinton stuck to an argument she has made many times: Creating an area where Syrian and Russian planes cannot fly would give the U.S. “leverage” over Syria and Russia to negotiate a political resolution.

“A no-fly zone can save lives and hasten the end of the conflict,” she said.

With proper planning, Clinton argued, the restriction could accomplish those goals without sparking a larger war.

“I am well aware of the really legitimate concerns you have expressed from both the president and the general,” Clinton responded. “This would not be done just on the first day. This would take a lot of negotiation. It would also take making it clear to the Russians and the Syrians that our purpose here was to provide safe zones on the ground.”

Ensuring the safety of civilians in areas of Syria under heavy bombardment from the Syrian and Russian air forces would even “help us in our fight against ISIS,” Clinton argued.

Your "unwillingness for Russian diplomacy" response is too stupid to address.

**Frownland** · 01-07-2017, 08:46 PM

So if I pull of a quote of Trump saying that she's wrong, does that make it so? Because that's the quality of your response. I didn't expect for you to think that Hillary could have any kind of flaws though so don't sweat it. Also, you ought to include links to the quotes that you're using for your arguments. They could come from infowars for all I know.

Anteater · 01-07-2017, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Says the Trump groupie........

That's funny coming from a shill who can't be bothered to respond to any of the points I've previously made. Furthermore, you seem to have myopic reasoning abilities. Or maybe you just lack reading comprehension? That report basically amounts to "Russia spent money on websites and Facebook ads hoping people wouldn't vote for Hillary". Their disinformation campaign, if you even want to call it that, was a complete waste of time.

Unless Putin somehow hacked Time Warner and The Huffington Post, there is absolutely nothing they could have done to influence the election in any meaningful way, especially when Trump got billions in free advertising from the networks trying to tear him down whilst Hillary got a fraction of the coverage overall. Unless Podesta being a complete moron and clicking on a phishing email demonstrates Russia's elite strategy? If you support that kind of carelessness in government that eclipses even the Republican Party, then you deserved to lose.

Again, all the evidence points to Russia simply taking advantage of a careless, incompetent Democratic Party and an equally incompetent administration. Both of which are supported by brainwashed fools like you who refuse to recognize the underlying problems your representatives create that allowed these hacks to take place and pave the way for someone like Trump to get elected.

On a more positive note though...if Trump can capitalize upon the leverage we have against Russia, then Putin's "strategy" becomes even more hilarious because he got the wrong guy into office based on a petty, personal vendetta against the Clintons. That, my friend, would be quite amusing!

djchameleon · 01-07-2017, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Wonder how big Donald's dong is though.

Based on his hand size very small.

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Bet it is

USA about to be run by a massive cock

? Ronald didn't win the Presidency.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Russia's always been doing this kind of thing, what's the big deal!? I mean, you guys didn't seem too worried when Hillary was opening us up for war for the same reason, why the double standard?

The big deal is the bigger implications of what was done and what they could do in the future. Yes, I mainly see it as reasoning for us to step up our security efforts but just because they have been doing this kind of thing in the past doesn't mean we should just say "oh well let's let them continue doing it because we are big pushovers".

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I don't think it's a real concern I just think "Russian Puppet" is too awesome to pass up on

I used to go around saying that but when I actually thought about it from a geopolitical point of view. Russia doesn't have much to gain/offer when it comes to working with the US.

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Originally Posted by Anteater

If Trump can capitalize upon the leverage we have against Russia, then Putin's "strategy" becomes even more hilarious because he got the wrong guy into office based on a petty, personal vendetta against the Clintons.

What leverage? What can he possibly gain from working with Russia? It feels like Putin's using him to his advantage but I'm just not quite sure what that advantage is yet. Like the Donald would say "to be continued.." We shall see very soon. Russia continues to take aggressive stabs at everyone around the world including the US and people on the right thinks we should just buddy up with Russia and work with them after Putin pretty much took his dick out and slapped us in the face then ****ed our collective mother.

Anteater · 01-07-2017, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

What leverage? What can he possibly gain from working with Russia? It feels like Putin's using him to his advantage but I'm just not quite sure what that advantage is yet. Like the Donald would say "to be continued.." We shall see very soon. Russia continues to take aggressive stabs at everyone around the world including the US and people on the right thinks we should just buddy up with Russia and work with them after Putin pretty much took his dick out and slapped us in the face then ****ed our collective mother.

Russia's economy is in the crapper and we have the keys that Putin wants in order to turn his country around. This is something we can use, and even if Trump doesn't see the big picture, Rex Tillerson does. Furthermore, Russia would be a useful tool to deal with the elements of the Islamic State (as well as ISIS) that fuel most the world's terrorism.

There's a lot of people worried that America would become a puppet state to Russia, but those same people are also clueless about how government actually works and what is and isn't at stake. We hold all the cards, which is why Russia is desperate to do anything to try to improve their situation. China, on the other hand, is honestly a much bigger problem overall. If we aren't careful with them we'll be looking at a real life analogue to The Man In The High Castle within half a century.

Chula Vista · 01-07-2017, 09:18 PM

Rex Tillerson? The guy that stands to make billions by lifting US sanctions against Russia? Your red is burning brightly tonight.

djchameleon · 01-07-2017, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Russia's economy is in the crapper and we have the keys that Putin wants in order to turn his country around. This is something we can use, and even if Trump doesn't see the big picture, Rex Tillerson does. Furthermore, Russia would be a useful tool to deal with the elements of the Islamic State (as well as ISIS) that fuel most the world's terrorism.

There's a lot of people worried that America would become a puppet state to Russia, but those same people are also clueless about how government actually works and what is and isn't at stake. We hold all the cards, which is why Russia is desperate to do anything to try to improve their situation. China, on the other hand, is honestly a much bigger problem overall. If we aren't careful with them we'll be looking at a real life analogue to The Man In The High Castle within half a century.

Explain why China is a bigger problem. I've heard people spout that but they never go into detail. Yes I know they own a lot of bonds from us but I feel like economically they are in a weaker position than Russia atm.

Chula Vista · 01-07-2017, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

China is going to be a problem because Trump has made them one

Tarrifs and such go both ways China could kneecap our economy the next time Trump tweets something offensive

Or if he keeps kissing Taiwan's ass.

**Frownland** · 01-07-2017, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Or if he keeps kissing Taiwan's ass.

lol I don't think accepting a call is the same as kissing their ass. This kind of stupid hyperbole is what handed Trump the election.

01-07-2017, 08:24 PM	#551 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Line in the sand (no Chula, not head in the sand). No fly zones. Unwillingness for any Russian diplomacy. Kind of a no brainer really. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

01-07-2017, 08:46 PM	#553 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	So if I pull of a quote of Trump saying that she's wrong, does that make it so? Because that's the quality of your response. I didn't expect for you to think that Hillary could have any kind of flaws though so don't sweat it. Also, you ought to include links to the quotes that you're using for your arguments. They could come from infowars for all I know. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

01-07-2017, 09:18 PM	#557 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Rex Tillerson? The guy that stands to make billions by lifting US sanctions against Russia? Your red is burning brightly tonight. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”