Counter culture.

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Seriously, list 10 counterculture things about conservatives.

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It's nothing to do with victimisation. It's the ideology. Conservatism is in some ways a counter-culture.

Spell that out. Stop generalizing. Be on point. Put on some big boy pants.

1. CNN! MSNBC! Llllllllllllibberal media!
2. My friends aren't conservabuddies :(
3. Not one conservative pundit. Zero.
4. In elementary school were taught that being conservative was evil in C.A.R.E.
5. Lots money=lots of counting.

Not inherently and you've yet to provide a context that would make it counterculture. But yes, calling yourself counterculture reeks of victimization because of how immensely involved people of that ideology are with mainstream culture.

Being conservative is about as counter culture as being a football fan.

Anti-abortion, anti-welfare state, anti-Obamacare, BUILD A WALL, Nationalism, lowering taxes etc. there's more, but the point is that there's a difference of opinion between certain elements of the right and certain elements of the left. One is considered to be the norm (the left) and one is relatively against what we see reported in the media (the right).

We have to speak in generalities of course.

So my point made sense. People arguing that Soros is evil shouldn't automatically be ignored because there's some evil guy on "their side". Can we not fight back against both at the same time?

You had no credibility from the start amigo..but nice try. All I said is he was ugly and he funds protests, both of which are facts. He also gave hundreds of millions to the Democratic Party and lost a shitload more when Hillary didn't win. How 'bout dem apples?

It's so weird to me that something can be counter culture while around 50% of the population currently is subscribed to that ideology. Kinda paradoxical.

No, no, neither is considered out of the norm. One is just slightly more popular.

It's like arguing that Justin Bieber is counter culture because he's not as popular as Taylor Swift.

Not exactly. People's privately held beliefs don't always find themselves into wider culture. Hence why so many people assumed Hillary had it in the bag.

Well y'all are pretty mainstream for a counterculture is all I'm saying and I think that's pretty obvious.

People thought she had it in the bag because she was going against Trump, not because she was going against a conservative.

1. No he doesn't. Some executives from a hedge fund he founded donated around 36 thousand to Republicans (such as Paul Ryan) who were in opposition to Donald Trump. Soros himself doesn't spend money on organizations that are in conflict with his globalist POV.

2. Agreed: guys like him are an underlying problem with the political system that we have, along with the Koch Brothers.

What is the grand point I was missing then? I'm happy to say I misunderstood the point (I think I may have already done that). But I mean, we were obviously discussing Soros so it seems kinda sillyto pretend you didn't know I was talking about him.

Maybe that's true in the UK, I don't know. But if you're trying to apply that to the US, I have to say you don't really understand this country.

Well yes, we are far more left over here unfortunately. It's crazy actually. But I think it's rather obvious to me as somebody who watches the USA quite closely that you seem to have a heavily left media establishment, which doesn't really represent the overall values of the country.

Obamacare and American nationalism are two huge topics in the U.K. :D.

You'd be ignoring the American media on the right that panders just as hard (they feed a lot into this counterculture idea and it's still bunk).

The argument isn't that there's not partisanship on the right. It's that the vast majority of media leans left. Stay on track.

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just waiting for a new wave of republican punk music about abortion being murder and how christians are being marginalized

Things often seem "rather obvious" to people working with very little information.

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Far right? I lean right on a downward slope.

Not to mention that the media is no longer about being right, but being read.

Yeah, he's not a globalist at all.

Come on, you and Chula need to up your game(s). :)

He founded that hedge fund back in the late 90's but does not manage it. When he DOES directly donate to causes, he does so through one of his main companies. And in the case of 2016, he donated over $25 million just to Hillary's campaign from his main New York firm. 36 thousand is just a drop in the bucket for sowing some dissent in the enemy ranks.

Wouldn't the same logic apply to you? A self-proclaimed communist? The objectively left-leaning CNN appear to be neutral to you because they aren't left enough by comparison.

I believe that circles are boring so I'm gonna go to bed and watch The Red Pill again.

No he's not, because not everyone in the world thinks like you do parrot-boy. Maybe I need to be more Communist? Brush up on Failed Economic Policies That Never Work 101? :laughing:

Saying the argument is not in my favor when everyone knows George Soros is a globalist is absurd. What else do you call someone who advocates for uber-idealistic open border policy at the expense of everything else?

That's a great poll and all, but if you actually read the whole thing-

You also didn't answer my question about Soros. I didn't drop the term "globalist" for no reason. There is no doubt whatsoever that he fits the definition, and he has a God complex that rivals Trump's but has far more money than the Oompah Loompa in Chief.

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Wanna move to Montreal with me and start a recording studio?

You ever hear the Alex Jones conspiracy? About him being Bill Hicks? It's hilarious. There's multiple versions. One of them goes that Alex Jones is a character Bill Hicks created for a comedy routine and it ended up becoming his identity.

I explained my use of the word "globalist" earlier as it related to Soros.

You cited a poll that came out several years ago. Cultural differences or no cultural differences, America must not be that "great" a threat to world peace if those people professing fear would rather live here than anywhere else on the planet according to the results. Why didn't Russia or Iran or Iraq or Saudi Arabia top the list on the 2nd question otherwise?

Your feet are so set in concrete, what's the point? Live by the sword, die by the sword.

But the "pen", so to speak, is mightier than the sword. I will continue to demonstrate this point no matter how annoyed some of you become. :)

Alas, you guys seem to have issues with big picture discussions when it relates to people outside of the Donald Trump box. I'll be sure to keep that in mind.

Dude. Are you seriously saying you don't eat, sleep, and **** inside of Trump's box?

That would be what is funny.

I don't at all. I didn't vote for him either. But every time I present ANY argument that isn't Chicken Little "the sky is falling" you guys go apeshit or dismiss it out of hand because it doesn't align with Karl Marx's manifesto (elphenor) or your average "think piece" from Mother Jones (you). I'm sorry if that hurts a few feelings around here, but I'm not the only one who has observed it.

I should be able to post in this thread and joke about guys like George Soros without people attacking my "credibility". If you can't do that, then I don't know why you claim to be liberal when I'm seeing intolerence to anything that isn't Trump = Hitler memelulz.

At the end of the day, to me Trump is just an experiment (of sorts) and a test for democracy in the U.S. That's not a bad thing nor a good thing overall, but it was an inevitability. I also find it rather amusing that Obama singlehandedly drove Trump to run in the first place after what happened at the 2011 White House Correspondents' Association dinner. If that one event had gone just a little differently, this thread would not exist.

Meme them back.