Again, IDIOT.

awh cute, old man Chula doesn't understand the Internet.

awh cute, young snot trying to troll an adult.

im not trolling lol i genuinely think you calling Malik Obama an idiot is showing you don't really get internet culture or w/e you wanna call it. he has one of the funniest twitter profiles going.

I repeat: IDIOT.

You are free to present something resembling a counter-argument to me one of these centuries. If not, then drop it or at least admit I had a point. I talked about human behavior in relation to law and you retorted with something along the lines of "well, none of that is important". Just because you disagree with my take on things doesn't mean I'm wrong. If you can't appreciate pragmatism or take it into consideration then you shouldn't be having political arguments with people.

And again, I'll reiterate: as funny as Trump is, I think he is a very, very flawed individual and POTUS elect. But the problems he presents are completely different from Bill Clinton, Obama and Bush respectively, partly because he's not really a politician nor does he seem to really represent either party: he merely co-opted the Republican platform to get into office. Pretending that he's somehow worse than they are when you take ALL information into consideration is an underlying premise flaw I've seen in every Trump-related discussion I've seen here and in other places.

I hereby move to have Chula's avatar removed by a mod. It is hideously annoying and annoyingly hideous to the point that I feel it is harming this forum.

Zero political experience - check.
History of screwing businesses - check.
History of failing ventures - check.
History of scamming the tax system - check.
Acts like a teenage girl when challenged - check.
A poster child for egotism - check.
Takes misogyny to new levels - check.
Unheard of conflicts of interests as POTUS - check.
Alt-right conspiracy theorist as his right hand man - check.

Maybe you are an idiot after-all.

Some of those "checks" being debatable aside, let's turn the board around for a bit: what about all the good Donald Trump has done in the world? All the projects he did through the 80's and 90's where he'd come in under budget, create thousands of jobs, etc? Are you one of those people who just follow HuffPost and CNN and read little else? In the same way Hillary Clinton isn't Satan just because her family's Foundation is kinda dubious and takes money from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, Donald Trump isn't the anti-christ either.

I'm sorry to tell you this, but guys like you are why Trump got elected in the first place. I'm not asking you to do serious research here: I'm asking you to think critically and look at all the information available out there. I didn't even vote for Trump so I'm unsure why you have this vendetta against what I'm saying.

You mean the multiple bankruptcies and tax evasions? I'm not looking to argue, but if we're gonna talk about experience and what candidates have done for the world, perhaps you should look at Hillary's experience and relate it to Trump.

I'm not going to call you an idiot like everyone else because honestly...all I really have is a disagreement with you.

:rofl:

Something funny?

ya, that post.

Elaborate. Does Hillary not have more political experience than Trump? If Trump has more political experience, I'd love to hear your reasoning.

Obama's cabinet back in 2008 was pretty much handpicked by Citigroup, so I dunno what you are trying to get at. It is easy to be pessimistic and passively absorb headlines from your favored news sources. It is harder to be a critical thinker and consider all possibilities based on what is happening in real time. Weighing the pluses and minuses, etc. But I run a business and I have to consistently maintain a high level of detail in everything I do, including research, contract development and dealing with people under a variety of circumstances. I make fewer "assumptions" than your average person: what you are doing is simple fearmongering.

Forbes.com - 8 Reasons ExxonMobil's Rex Tillerson Could Succeed As Secretary Of State

Dude, I asked a serious question that was perfectly reasonable. I never said Trump was a perfect person who never failed or made mistakes. He's going into office regardless of how much people complain though, so I think if people really want to see the big picture they should be asking more questions instead of being passive. I also addressed his inexperience as a politician in a previous post.

I never implied that. But if you're relating Trump's experience to Hillary's experience, you may need to further your research.

I knew I should've stayed out of this thread.

Well, you aren't thinking critically. Furthermore, you have a major attitude problem and continue to deflect from my previous points (which is why you quote individual sentences yet won't address anything else). This isn't a constructive discussion anymore. I'm done talking with you.

You are free to PM me if you really want to continue this discussion.

45 / Hermaphrodite / Mother Russia

Must suck being a hermaphrodite in Russia.

We (Russian hermaphrodites) have psychic powers. I used mine to make John Podesta click his mouse on that email from "Google" to reset his password.

I understand who they typically write for but Forbes is actually one of the most critical and unbiased news sources out today. Regardless of who their original target audience was intended to be for.

Correct. And if he actually bothered to read the article I linked to or looked at the author, who is fairly liberal, has a PH.D and teaches Muslim Studies when she isn't writing for Forbes, CNN, etc., he'd realize I might have actually had a point in sharing it.

Now you're just coming across as a joke.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.2b3d4cd8560e

Pretty easy to come in under budget when you don't pay your ****ing bills.

Donald Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.8357f74ac65e

How Donald Trump Destroyed a Football League

And do a little unbiased research on The Clinton Foundation.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/ind...ry&orgid=16680

https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings...foundation/478

What Bill and Hillary Clinton's Controversial Foundation Actually Does

Where Does Clinton Foundation Money Go? - FactCheck.org

Don't pick on Anteater cause he aint drank the kool aid. http://files-cloud.enjin.com/smiley/...koolaid2.gif?0

@Anteater, Why bother to read all of that when you can just watch this:

Clinton Cash

Oh boy, I love playing link games. My turn!

First, we don't have a complete list of the Clinton Foundation's donors. We also don't have a complete list of donors involved in the Uranium One sale as well. So taking those things into consideration (which none of your links address), do you think all that is acceptable? It screams corruption (and that Clinton Cash documentary is rather illuminating as well).

Trump should be paying his bills, but you don't seem to have a good sense of what is equivocal here. Taking money in ANY way from questionable countries, especially when you are part of a family that has made their entire fortune through government, is a far more serious matter than a private citizen who has made bad business decisions or fudges foundation paperwork.

Secondly, I'm curious at what you think about Saudi Arabia and Qatar donating millions to the Foundation over the years.

Did Hillary Clinton take money from countries that treat women, gays poorly? | PolitiFact Arizona

And as for Trump, since you apparently can't answer my question about the good Trump has done in the past (as if he isn't capable of it or something), I did your homework for you. Enjoy.

1. Donald Trump Shelters Jennifer Hudson Family Free of Charge

Donald Trump Shelters Jennifer Hudson

2. Donald Trump Shows Kindness To A Little Girl With Bone Disease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bY_QmA9Vu4

3. Trump agrees to fly a 3 yr old on his jet to get medical care when airlines refuse to do so:

Trump Card : snopes.com

4. Trump saves a family farm in Georgia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo8wjZdlcLQ

5. Trump give $25,000 check to marine who spent 214 days in a Mexican prison

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/d...obama-ignored/

6. The Trump/Pence campaign delivered $29,000 in food and supplies to Hurricane Matthew victims in three North Carolina towns.

Donald Trump Donated Food, Supplies to Victims of Hurricane Matthew in North Carolina : snopes.com

7. Donald Trump - Over 34,000+ jobs created

Donald Trump has created about 34,000 jobs - Sep. 3, 2015

8. Trump and Wollman Ice Rink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsP89haGyoI

9. How Trump Fought Antisemitism and Racism in Palm Beach Two Decades Ago

https://spectator.org/64643_when-trump-fought-racists/

10. Trump stops a guy from beating someone on the street with a baseball bat:

https://i.imgur.com/WKYJ9ay.png

11. Donald Trump helped buy time for Ed McMahon when his house was being foreclosed on.

The Mystery Man Who Bought Ed McMahon’s House - Developments - WSJ

12. Trump Gives Unemployed Veteran A Job At Press Conference

Donald Trump interviews unemployed veteran for job during press conference - Washington Times

13. Trump gives hero bus driver $10,000 out of nowhere

Donald Trump offers $10,000 to heroic bus driver - Washington Times

14. Trump hires first woman to ever build a skyscraper

https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,5204145&hl=en

So let me ask you again: do you honestly believe this guy has never done anything good in his life, many times when there is no obvious gain for him to do so but rather because he was trying to do the right thing? Regardless of what you think of his cabinet choices or whether he'll make a good president, he's certainly not the demon a lot of people make him out to be. I'll also throw in a quote from that link about the league you gave me near the end:

I'm more scared of the harm his cabinet and the House/Senate are gonna do more than him.

I haven't the knowledge you guys have about this, but a suggestion: a thread like "Trump Bingo" or "Bet on Trump", where people try to predict what will happen under the new administration in 2017. So you could have, say, "Trump cuts childcare benefit 5-4", "Trump upsets European Bank 2-1". That kind of thing, to see whether or not the fears end up being justified, and also tackle them in a sort of light-hearted way.

As I say, I would open the thread but would have no idea what to put into it, so if anyone thinks it's a good idea and wants to run with it, feel free.

If not, **** you all. :)

12/18/16

Who gives a **** who's donating when the most of the money is being used for charitable purposes?

Once Again, the Media Gets It Wrong on the Clinton Foundation

Says you. Go tell it to the hundreds if not thousands of individuals and/or families that have been destroyed by Trump's "bad business decisions".

A People

I think it's brilliant since the majority of their money goes into helping women and children.

He's quite the angel isn't he. Most of this **** he does solely for PR reasons. You realize that $25,000 to a multi-billionaire amounts to him basically handing out nickels. Plus you can be damn sure he writes all of that **** off when tax season rolls around.

I never said he was Satan. But all in all I think he's a big douchebag who was born with a golden spoon in his mouth and has spent a career screwing people over while bragging about how awesome he is.

Lmao like Trump would be the first president to fear monger or lie. Our democracy has been thriving on lies since its inception and we haven't had tyranny yet. I mean, I agree that it's not good but chill the **** out.

Spell "irony" for me please.

@ Chulas fake news list: Trump won by quite a big margin. About 80% of counties voted in favour of him.

How many of those counties were made up of two cousins and a dog?

Source: I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.

Hillary quite undeniably won by a large margin.

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/25/...on-foundation/

I'm not saying the Clinton Foundation hasn't done charitable work, but you are living in dreamland if you seriously believe that Saudi Arabia and Qatar would give her foundation MILLIONS of dollars for those reasons. It doesn't add up. The Clintons were broke in the late 90's and are multi-millionaires less than ten years later. You don't make hundreds of millions from just giving speeches to the financial industry.

Again, Trump has problems. I didn't vote for him and have doubts about him in pretty much every area that isn't related to fiscal policy, but critical thinking needs to go both ways. You make way too many assumptions and aren't looking at all the facts.

I guess I'll just have to hope we can get a serious Libertarian candidate one of these days running.