What Did President Trump Do Now?

DwnWthVwls · 05-16-2017, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

No. I don't get it. Spell it out for me like I'm retarded.

My thinking is if people can't go see a doctor all kinds of fixable things don't get fixed. Strep throat, scabies, syphilis, pink eye, and on and on. Am I wrong to conclude our general public health could be improved by allowing people to fix this stuff? I'm thinking in your mind it's like when a person confuses weather and climate but if you could do me the kindness of spelling it out for me.

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

Don't those things factor into the general health of the population, from a statistical standpoint?

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

You are correct sir!

The way I've been using health is the physical wellness of the body. If you take a healthy person and an unhealthy person, and give them the same sickness they will have different responses. Whatever sickness you want to use as an example (Strep in the case of Occult) isn't really important to my point. General health is not determined by temporary sickness, especially in the case of Occults shitty example of strep which is self-limiting and doesn't even need to be treated in a healthy person (possibly an unhealthy one? idk im not a doctor).

@PetSounds - yes, I never said that healthcare has absolutely ZERO affect on population health. My argument from the start was that it is not the primary factor elph was making it out to be. If you go back a couple pages you can see my other responses.

DwnWthVwls · 05-16-2017, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

My step mother had her stomach surgically shrunk to prevent complications from obesity

Yeh and? Both my parents had that done too, they still eat like shit. Surgery can't change a poor diet (which is what I asked about not obesity).

The only treatable thing you mentioned was depression, the rest require people to *wait for it* TAKE RESPONSIBILITY *gasp* for themselves.

DwnWthVwls · 05-16-2017, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

To put it a different way:

On one level it's just a truism that personal choices contribute to Americans being less healthy than their Western peers

but this is a meaningless thing to say without asking why do they make these choices

what we find is that the primary cause like so many other societal ills goes back to inequality

and yet you're still blaming the healthcare system.. people are not making those choices because they have shitty healthcare.

Edit: I mostly agree with the bolded, but I don't have time right now to finish responding. I'd like to take a look at how inequality plays into decisions like smoking, diet, alcohol, etc.

**Frownland** · 05-16-2017, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

anecdotal evidence.

You're dead to me. I thought you were better than this, DWV.

OccultHawk · 05-16-2017, 10:33 AM

Strep throat Overview - Mayo Clinic

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If untreated, strep throat can cause complications, such as kidney inflammation or rheumatic fever. Rheumatic fever can lead to painful and inflamed joints, a specific type of rash or heart valve damage.

I'm going to stand by my original stance that access to healthcare makes for a healthier people. I feel like I got good old horse sense backing me up.

The Batlord · 05-16-2017, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Treating workers like **** doesn't force them to eat so many french fries. And **** most of yall hypocrites because of how much I've heard people bad mouth Batlord for working at Burger King.

DwnWthVwls · 05-16-2017, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

You're dead to me. I thought you were better than this, DWV.

O, piss off. I wasn't using it to make a case, it was an example, and I don't have time to look it up atm. Also, the BoP is on elph since he was the one making the claim.

DwnWthVwls · 05-16-2017, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Strep throat Overview - Mayo Clinic

I'm going to stand by my original stance that access to healthcare makes for a healthier people. I feel like I got good old horse sense backing me up.

Yes, I read that too. Now go read more about it instead of pulling one line from the mayo clinic. While your at it try acknowledging how I distinguished between healthy/unhealthy people outside of sickness.

Not gonna sit here and pretend like it's the most credible source, but here's some food for thought: http://www.chadhayesmd.com/infection...-strep-throat/, I actually would like to look more into these claims myself.

Chula Vista · 05-16-2017, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Preventative practices require people to make lifestyle changes not take pills until they feel better.

I take pills every day to prevent my blood pressure from getting too high.
I take pills every day to prevent my cholesteral from getting too high.
I take a pill every day to prevent me from having a nervous breakdown.

**Frownland** · 05-16-2017, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I take pills every day to prevent my blood pressure from getting too high.

Preventative practice=Exercise+healthy diet

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I take pills every day to prevent my cholesteral from getting too high.

See above.

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I take a pill every day to prevent me from having a nervous breakdown.

Preventative practice=see a therapist and work your **** out.