I don't think non-partisan naturally translates to taking the middle ground, even though that's a common place for that road to lead. For the situations you're referencing, it's likely that you can reach the same conclusions as one partisan lens or another by looking at it from an objective perspective.

The true sign of intelligence is being aware of it and letting other people know, obvs.

In regards to my opinion on Trump: you have such a short memory. Might want to go see your doctor to have that checked out, because I'm a little worried about you.

You know, bringing up the previous administration in regards to Trump is important since he's building on their worst tendencies (Wall-Street collusion, questionable foreign policy) and dismantling things he didn't like about it (the ACA, budgetary provisions for certain entities, etc.). On the other hand, you give Obama all this credit for the stimulus package that "saved" the economy even though it was the Bush administration's doing. Double standard much buddy boy?

You have an inferiority complex and don't like being told you aren't seeing the big picture. If you don't want me to talk to you like a child and troll you, then try debating like a grown up.

You don't understand dude. The most important element of a presidency--and the thing that it should unequivocally be judged by--is how hypocritical that president is based off of their campaign promises. Things like real-world actions, effects on the economy, and decisions made on a case-by-case basis don't mean **** once we consider the hypocrisy. If a president ran a campaign on starting WWIII and tanking the economy then actualized that once they were in office, well that would simply make them the greatest president in American history.

For the umpteenth time - this is not a debate class for me. I've already lived through Obama's 8 years and witnessed first hand how his presidency affected me, and those I care about in a positive manner. He also gained back a lot of positive ground with our allies after the "you're either with us, or against us" rhetoric of GWB and Cheney.

I've also witnessed very closely all that is Donald Trump, his family, his cronies, and his smoke show up to this point. I have a very clear opinion of both men.

What's to debate?

And you reffering to me as a child is you simply being a dickweed. It's a simple as that. Your condescension is almost reaching Frowny levels.

Almost.

Dude....... :rofl:

Quit trying to belittle having constructive dialogues by making it seem like a practice reserved for high school students.

There's always more to learn, wouldn't you agree? Your experiences are such an infinitesimally tiny cross-section of the big picture and other people's experiences can help you understand your own opinions better. You may not change your mind on anything (that's typically a slow and long-term process that most people are not conscious of), but you will gain perspective and understand why people who think differently than you think that way instead of blowing a gasket asking yourself "why are these people so stupid?!"

If you can't see the value in that and how it would improve this garbage thread or at least clear up a couple of the ****storms in the forecast, then I don't know what to say.

Calling people dickweeds is pretty douchey, Chula. Those in glass houses and all that.

Here's something I've been curious about...

Since Trump has no filter, loves to insult people, and has generally taken a giant dump on the generally accepted political etiquette, has this changed politics in the US for good? Is it now open season to straight up insult and demean your opponent? Will our future presidents be expected to personally tweet? Or do you think things will go back to "normal" once Trump is out?

Damn, which country is this? I want to go there.

I guess I'll shout it out to get through your ear wax.

I'M NOT HERE FOR A DEBATE.

I'M NOT HERE FOR A DEBATE.



That's my freedom of choice. I'm not trying to take it away from anyone else.

And yes, calling a grown man a child as a way to try and bolster your argument is being a dickweed. Your lame ass retort trying to defend it is also a bit dickweedish.

I gotta go check Websters.....

Before the crash my home peaked at about $500K. At the worst point of the crash it got down to about $280K. As of right this very second it's at $433K.

About the same story for my 401K.

Both major signposts of how good or bad the economy is.