Watching the Celebrity Apprentice (shut up) and Steven Baldwin is on it. He wins a cheque for 50 grand for his mother's charity and presents it to her, and she smiles and says "It's all because of you." He nods, points up and says, "and him." And she says "Donald." He frowns, says, "Yeah, and, you know, God?" She kind of shrugs.

I nearly pissed myself laughing. :laughing:

So I made you STFU? Awesome!!!!!

Just watched a surreal segment on the news. A reporter went to a breakfast joint in a Pennsylvania county that voted 60% for Trump to ask the patrons about the Muslim ban - and let's cut the BS - it's a Muslim ban at the end of the day. Wrap it in any pretty bow you want.

Every single one of the people interviewed came across as ridiculously paranoid and afraid. The words THEY and THEM were used over and over again in a very degenerative way.

The reporter asked each of them if they believed that the Orlando, San Bernardino, and Boston terrorist attacks were perpetrated by citizens from one of the 7 banned countries and they all replied with a resounding YES.

When told that they were actually US citizens or from other countries that are not on the ban list they all responded like a 3 year old child being told that Santa Claus wasn't real.

Surreal.

BREAKING NEWS: Trump just fired the acting Attorney General because she came forward to oppose Trump's Muslim ban. Three decades in public office working under both Republican and Democratic administrations and who was approved by over 80% of congress when nominated.

First time something like this has happened since Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre which help lead to his impeachment.

****ing scary ****.

Obama hates Muslims man. No wonder he picked those specific countries.

I thought you were going to shut up? At least do some research instead of just being a parrot. Your orange looks nothing like the actual apple.
Act like a grown up for a change.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ration-restri/

https://mediamatters.org/research/20...lim-ban/215180

http://www.snopes.com/trump-immigration-order-obama/

Obama selected the specific countries Trump "banned". That's a fact. Read the document bro.

If you're referring to Obama telling the DoHS to focus on the travel to and from one country in an attempt to catch two fugitives then I guess you could say that both instances are the same if you remove 100% of the context.

Read very slowly:

Again, act like an adult.

Obama lacked action, we get it.

Wait, if Trump did the same thing as Obama, what caused it to be effective this time around and why didn't it work before? Or are we deluding ourselves with partisan politics again?

Please list all of the terrorist acts committed or planned by a citizen of those 7 countries that took place in the United States.

Now do the same for the 4 Muslim countries that Trump excluded from the ban, and just by chance, were part of 9/11 AND, he has lucrative business connections with.

http://cdn1.thecomeback.com/wp-conte...ai-645x356.jpg

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/a...ai-780x439.jpg

And also, Trump is president. Not Obama. Stop looking backwards and deal with the present. Isn't that what all of you conservatives were preaching very loudly after Obama took office? Stop being a hypocrite.

I'll be waiting on your lists.

It isn't just Trump with conflicts of interest in Saudi Arabia...it's the whole damn U.S. For that reason, I'm not surprised Trump didn't ban them, nor am I surprised previous administrations didn't ban them either.

Congressional term limits: yay or nay?

Missing the point a bit.

Oh, and YAY!

https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...48&oe=590CD96C

Yay on this!

Why comparing Trump's and Obama's immigration restrictions is flawed | PolitiFact

Take your own advice and read the document.

People that are trying to argue that it isn't a Muslim ban like MLM.
Full text of Trump's executive order on 7-nation ban, refugee suspension - CNNPolitics.com
So they are okay with letting in Christians, Catholics and any other minority religion because it is a MUSLIM ban! :bonkhead: It's not like you are thinking just banning the countries for whatever else other reasoning. They have the mindset that Muslims are dangerous and should be banned.

It's funny how people still believe that.

The worry shouldn't be about letting in "Christians, Catholics and any other minority religion" the real concern should be the plight of the ""Christians, Catholics and any other minority religion" in those regions plagued by islamic terrorist.

Aleppo Bishop: Two Thirds of Syrian Christians Have Been Killed or Driven Away - Breitbart

So if I recall correctly he talked about a temporary ban until there is some way they could be "vetted" during his campaign, now it's in place. I don't see the point making it seem like they are banning countries out of the blue. Or making it seem like they banning muslims forever. The ban isn't targeting people for being an ordinary muslim. The elephant in the room, the thing no one wants to talk about are the terrorists. The terrorists are a problem within muslim communities and a problem for everyone else. And it's the terrorist causing the conflict where people have to flee, resulting in them becoming refugees.

And still waiting for someone to point out particular instances of terrorism here in the US committed by ANYONE from the 7 banned nations.......

People are so god damn afraid of the dark that they want Trump to ban the sun from going down.

There are none.

i hope he continues religious profiling and exiles the west boro baptist church next.

Thumbs up to that. Dude actually upheld one of Obama's executive orders regarding LBGT rights today. Maybe there's hope.










Not.

Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen.

Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden was born in Saudi Arabia. His father Mohammed bin Laden is from Yemen. Osama bin Laden is a Yemenite via Saudi Arabia. He is the founder of al-Qaeda, the terrorist organization that claimed responsibility for the terrorist attacks which claimed 2996 lives on September 11, 2001. And al-Qaeda has a presence in Yemen.

Terrorists in France Connected to al-Qaeda in Yemen - ABC News

Isis is the thing people should be complaining about, a not temporary restrictions, or the straw man argument that has "Donal Trump banning muslims."

Mosul: Isis threatens to kill 350,000 children trapped in city if they try to leave | The Independent

Neo, nice try.

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Nea. You must be joking.

the dems had their turn at being klan members, now it's the republicans turn.

They were technically still the same party though.

^

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Can some please elaborate on the business ties to the unban countries or give me links?

Posted this in the other thread.. whoops, stupid phone.

Here's an article I didn't read
Trump's Muslim ban excludes countries linked to his businesses - NY Daily News

I know some people want it to be Trumps versus average muslims. Some people act like it is a permanent ban against them, the thing is only for 90 or 120 day, depending on the situation. Well I get that people hate Trump, and everything he does has to be wrong. There is no rationality behind anything that his administration does. Even if B Obama's administration done the same thing. Let Obama slide. However there is all these ulterior motive Trump and his administration has. I get that.

The terrorist group al-Qaeda has been operating in Yemen for years. It will continue to do so for a long time to come. In the long run will this 90 ban and whatever policy they want to implement do anything? I really don't know. The can easily go from one country to another. If there is a loop hole they'll find it.

Terrorists in France Connected to al-Qaeda in Yemen - ABC News

Shhh Nea, you can't cite news here that doesn't align with Buzzfeed, the New York Times or Huffington Post. :D

Well below your normally decent standards.

Neil Gorsuch?

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Eh, alrighty then.

No opinion on Gorsuch. He's Ivy League educated and doesn't seem all that different from Scalia. I love what he said about liberals back in 2005 though.

Honestly, Republicans can bitch about Democrats being hypocrites all they want. What goes around comes around...they are now reaping what they sowed. They are the ones who created these deep divisions. What, they thought by taking the White House and control of congress that the Dems would just let them cram these regressive and unconstitutional policies down their throats? Please. The world supports the left's progressive policies for the most part and the world has been moving towards being more liberal for the past 40-50 years. Take polls of just the millennials onward and you will see an overwhelming majority support liberal policy. You can't have one side playing by the rules and the other thinking they are above them...now we are on an equal playing field.

And for the record any ban on travel that has happened in the past has NEVER been based in religion. What aren't conservatives understanding about this? Not only is this targeting Muslims specifically, but we are prioritizing Christians for entry? THIS is what is outrageous.

The rest of the world is also in complete chaos. We've made great progress but created a completely different set of problems as a result of what you are describing. It's a shame really: I'd shift from being libertarian to liberal if they weren't so boneheaded in regards to dealing with the underlying ideology of Islam (religion of peace? Yeah sure) and stopped being so obsessed with disingenuous identity politics. But they won't change or support intelligent policy in the name of inclusivity, and that is one of the biggest reasons why people like Trump have come to power.

So you think inclusivity to the degree as described by Jonathan Haidt above is healthy for society? You are way too narrow minded if "bigot" is the first thing you come up with after reading what I said.

Whoever coined the term religion of peace must've been some kind of obnoxious SJW.

I'll have to watch this later, but I'm assuming it decrying the extreme left's SJW culture. I think that extremism in any form (be it conservative or liberal) is blinding and I don't support it. "Safe spaces" are a dumb concept. You always need someone to play devil's advocate. There should always be a place for the opposing view. But both sides need mutual respect for each other and a willingness to be flexible. We've gone from two opposing sides working together to two sides vying for control at the expense of the other side. The liberals in the world - being a bit too inclusive and PC - refused to bend the rules the way the conservatives of the world have. And conservatives have been taking advantage for the past 17 years. That's why the world is in chaos - not because there is something wrong with a liberal outlook.

In the end, you can't stop progress. You can't stop globalization. An isolationist attitude is regressive and won't help advance the human race. Liberals are thinking of what's good for humans while conservatives seem to be focused on what's good for whatever country they are from. Nationalism on that level is outdated and what we are seeing is a desperate attempt for them to stay relevant. We may have hard times ahead, but if you think the world will be MORE conservative once the dust settles, you are kidding yourself.

And I fundamentally disagree with you on Islam. That's just straight up ignorant. I'm not even going to bother expanding on that because if you've been able to block out all evidence to the contrary up to now, nothing I say will change your mind. Historically, Christianity is just as violent (if not moreso). If you are going to say that about Islam, you may as well say it about ALL religions.

Nope. The fundamental culture surrounding Islam has not evolved an iota in centuries, whereas (for the most part) Christianity has grown up and found a way to exist in the modern world without the Pope and other heads of different denominations aiming to decimate the "enemy". Yeah you have some minority nutjob denominations, but they generally keep to themselves and have no control over society, culture, etc. That is not the case at all with Islam today.

Unfortunately, many contemporary Muslims who don't care for the conquest-oriented rhetoric of their prophet are collateral damage in this battle against extremism. You could argue that they're "selective" readers and the equivalent of a "non-denominational" Christian who only reads the New Testament, but I digress. It's a complicated issue, but there's no solution where nobody gets hurt as long as you have thought leaders on the other side of the ocean who advocate for the type of society that Saudi Arabia has.

It doesn't matter if "historically" Christianity was violent: every religion has had its growing pains. That's not the point. The problem is we are living in the modern world yet Islam still hasn't gotten over its teething stage. If you go to Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iraq, etc. you see what societies structured by that belief system are like, you would not want to live in those societies. If you speak out against them and say they're not "really" following Islam, they'll cut off your head. That's the reality of the world we live in, so I'm sorry if you don't acknowledge that.

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