What Did President Trump Do Now?

Chula Vista · 04-29-2017, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

No, I'm sorry, that's just not how life works, you don't get a free pass because the government offers assistance and you don't have parents to coddle you.

Perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Lucem Ferre · 04-29-2017, 01:25 PM

Force people to look for a job of the want assistance.

DwnWthVwls · 04-29-2017, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Perfect example of what I'm talking about.

So are you ever going to make a point as to why I should think differently or are you just going to keep complaining about my position and not try to show me why it's a poor one to hold?

I get that your disappointed or annoyed with me for thinking differently, I really don't care. Change my mind, present examples, provide counter points.. Demonstrate how it's good for society as a whole to be treated like children and never strive to improve problems through action.

DwnWthVwls · 04-29-2017, 01:59 PM

More than id like to admit.

Chula Vista · 04-29-2017, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Demonstrate how it's good for society as a whole to be treated like children and never strive to improve problems through action.

And once again.

Stop painting with a broad brush.

My mentally ill 28 year old son gets $200 a month in food stamps because he's incapable of holding down a steady job due to his illness. Should he just suck it up and find away to ignore the demons in his brain?

My bread winning dad ran out on my mom when her kids were 1, 3, and 5 years old. She wasn't able to make ends meet working a job and having to pay for childcare so she could work, so she had to go on welfare. Explain what kind of action she should have taken to keep her kids fed.

Isbjørn · 04-29-2017, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Yeah but it's not about saving money it's about humiliating people who need help

Take Republicans pushing drug testing for welfare recipients

It costs more to do the tests than to just let some junkies eat

Agree 100%, I was just adding the economic side to the equation. Unnecessary testing and screening is a waste of time and resources as well as humiliating and moralizing.

DwnWthVwls · 04-29-2017, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

And once again.

Stop painting with a broad brush.

My mentally ill 28 year old son gets $200 a month in food stamps because he's incapable of holding down a steady job due to his illness. Should he just suck it up and find away to ignore the demons in his brain?

My bread winning dad ran out on my mom when her kids were 1, 3, and 5 years old. She wasn't able to make ends meet working a job and having to pay for childcare so she could work, so she had to go on welfare. Explain what kind of action she should have taken to keep her kids fed.

I dont have a problem with either of those examples receiving gov assistance.

Isbjørn · 04-29-2017, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

On the other, if you know you need to be clean to get welfare

Regardless, substance dependence shouldn't make you less eligible for benefits.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Force people to look for a job of the want assistance.

That's how it's done most places, I reckon. It's how it works in Norway, at least.

DWV, my problem here is that you brought up personal choices as a factor of seemingly macroeconomically significanct factor for why people are unemployed/on benefits/experienceing hardships. I don't see what that brings to the discussion apart from implying that people shouldn't receive benefits if their situation is caused by bad decision-making - and who's supposed to be the judge of that? Bureaucrats?

Fixation on personal decision-making is for the neoliberals who cut in out welfare, admittedly to create "incentives" to work.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Sounds good on paper in practice there's actually barely any people who are able to work collecting welfare

I don't know about the US, but in Norway there are many able-bodied people receiving unemployment benefits due to transitional unemployment.

DwnWthVwls · 04-29-2017, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Isbjørn

Regardless, substance dependence shouldn't make you less eligible for benefits.

I already agreed with this in the first sentence you decided to remove from the quote.

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Originally Posted by Isbjørn

DWV, my problem here is that you brought up personal choices as a factor of seemingly macroeconomically significant factor for why people are unemployed/on benefits/experienceing hardships. I don't see what that brings to the discussion apart from implying that people shouldn't receive benefits if their situation is caused by bad decision-making - and who's supposed to be the judge of that? Bureaucrats?

I'm getting sick of rehashing the same points everytime someone new enters the discussion. Go back 10 or so pages and read.

Here: http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...ml#post1828726

Chula Vista · 04-29-2017, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I dont have a problem with either of those examples receiving gov assistance.

Examples? We're talking about human beings here.

You do realize that these two "examples" are representative of a large number of people relying on social programs. I get that you are angry about the leeches that game the system, but you should be a bit more sensitive about the way you are expressing things.