What Did President Trump Do Now?

Isbjørn · 04-09-2017, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

The way it's funded. In other words everything.

It's funded through taxes, but that doesn't make it socialist. Socialism is a mode of production i.e. economic model in which the means of production (factories, large farms, mines, offices) are collectively owned. Goods and services are produced according to a common plan to meet society's needs, rather than to generate profit for a handful of property-owners (capitalists). Taxes don't have anything to do with this - taxes have existed since the dawn of civilization, that is, since the earliest class societies. The medieval feudal state and the church collected taxes from peasants, but that doesn't mean the king and the church were socialist.

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I'm not advocating either system. I hate capitalism more because it's the one that is most actively ruining my life, personally.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Goofle the way you talk about how it's supposed to work on paper is identical to what Marxists do. Who the **** cares about the theory when the application sucks?

Ouch!

Anteater · 04-09-2017, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Good job, Ant.

Let's look at my post that started all this.

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The only reason we have technologies in development that promote sustainability is because we live in a society that has embraced capitalism and where that kind of thinking is encouraged. Entrepreneurial individuals connecting with the right people doesn't happen in any kind of Communistic society.

Do I even mention the government in here or what they have or have not accomplished in the past? But that's pretty much the crux of your original response to me. Nothing you said contradicts or even addresses the content of these two sentences. The phrase I used "technologies in development" assumes we are talking in present tense, not past tense.

Taken on its own, I agree with your response. That's a solid track record for government in the past for key developments. But that's not the case today where the U.S. spends somewhere in the ballpark of 834 million dollars and has access to the best people...yet still takes over 6 months post-launch to get a Wordpress-based ACA website working properly. Think about that: 834 million-ish for a single website.

Anyway, I'm a little OCD sometimes...so don't mind it.

**Goofle** · 04-09-2017, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Goofle the way you talk about how it's supposed to work on paper is identical to what Marxists do. Who the **** cares about the theory when the application sucks?

The application of capitalism has been absolutely amazing and increased the quality of life substantially.

**Janszoon** · 04-09-2017, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

That can happen when the government controls the price of goods (creating it's own monopoly), but under a capitalist/free market system there is at least the availability for people to compete with each other in order to lower prices even if one particular company raises their prices.

So, for you, price gouging is preferable to the government preventing price gouging?

**Goofle** · 04-09-2017, 08:46 AM

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So, for you, price gouging is preferable to the government preventing price gouging?

Obviously.

**Janszoon** · 04-09-2017, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Obviously.

Wow.

OccultHawk · 04-09-2017, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Nothing

In

Capitalism

Works

Without a gun to the head

I hope everyone can see the obvious truth in that. Private property is a legal concept. Laws are enforced literally at gun point. Therefore capitalism cannot exist without oppression. Not even in theory.

**Goofle** · 04-09-2017, 08:54 AM

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Wow.

The point is that I believe in the free market more than government control.

**Janszoon** · 04-09-2017, 08:58 AM

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The point is that I believe in the free market more than government control.

Even to the point of point of selling $100 bottles of water to desperate hurricane survivors apparently. Awesome.

**Goofle** · 04-09-2017, 08:59 AM

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I hope everyone can see the obvious truth in that. Private property is a legal concept. Laws are enforced literally at gun point. Therefore capitalism cannot exist without oppression. Not even in theory.

Why shouldn't somebody be punished for stealing from you? You can enforce laws without oppression necessarily following.