What Did President Trump Do Now?

duga · 04-07-2017, 09:33 AM

Is there any doubt Assad has been killing his own citizens for a while now? I mean...Obama sought congressional approval for action back in 2013. It's not like the situation has improved. Something's got to be done.

Leave it to Trump to create an incredibly conflicting situation out of something I thought I had a pretty firm stance on. I support action in Syria - especially now since the rest of the world pretty much assumes we are useless under Trump. We need to show we are still a country that won't tolerate not just civil rights abuses but outright mass murder of a country's citizens. But taking action without congressional approval? Come ON...this is the same slippery slope we got on with Vietnam! And I still feel Johnson was infinitely more competent than Trump!

There's got to be some reason for this change. I highly doubt Trump saw pictures of dead kids and his heart went out to them. Sorry, buddy...if you had shown a shred of decency or compassion in the past year I may have bought it. Could this be because Trump has realized Bannon and Preibus have caused so much damage, it's time to throw the Dems a bone? Is he trying to establish a war so that people back off the Russia investigation (never good to have a wartime commander in chief that's under investigation)? Or is Trump so easily influenced by those his have his ear that we see extreme action like this out of the blue (looking at you, Kushner)?

I'm just so confused right now.

djchameleon · 04-07-2017, 09:44 AM

We have been taking military actions without congressional approval since Bush Jr.'s been in office.

duga · 04-07-2017, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

We have been taking military actions without congressional approval since Bush Jr.'s been in office.

Typically when congress gives the president the power to do so.

djchameleon · 04-07-2017, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by duga

Typically when congress gives the president the power to do so.

I'm pretty sure they have been using executive orders and then have the backing of national security which allows them to do it without congress.

He set up that precedent.

duga · 04-07-2017, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I'm pretty sure they have been using executive orders and then have the backing of national security which allows them to do it without congress.

He set up that precedent.

Well, any way you slice it - it's harder to get away with it without congressional input for hot topic issues. Syria is definitely a hot topic issue.

**Janszoon** · 04-07-2017, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Justthefacts

No one's saying we haven't made blunders in the past, I'm sure we all understand that, but by using chemical weapons for years and killing 400,000 civilians at this point by a regime run by a dictator, (not to mention ISIS to make things worse) fuck yeah, let's blow their shit up because you know why? Because any other country won't step up to the plate to help these people out and America always saves the day.

Are you suggesting that Assad and ISIS are on the same side?

Chula Vista · 04-07-2017, 11:38 AM

I change my mind. (temporary insanity)

Justthefacts · 04-07-2017, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Are you suggesting that Assad and ISIS are on the same side?

I don't want to say yes, but yes Assad hasn't done anything to stop the spread of ISIS which leads me to believe he's okay with monsters running around with bombs and guns and beheading Christians.

**Frownland** · 04-07-2017, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Justthefacts

I don't want to say yes, but yes Assad hasn't done anything to stop the spread of ISIS which leads me to believe he's okay with monsters running around with bombs and guns and beheading Christians.

He may be irresponsible, wreckless, and short-sighted with it, but all of those attacks that kill ****loads of his civilians are targeting ISIS.

**Frownland** · 04-07-2017, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Hillary Clinton wanted to start doing intervention ****ing yesterday this country has no non-interventionalist party we are a nation with an addiction to War

That was the biggest argument against her too. *tastes foot*

04-07-2017, 09:33 AM	#3761 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	Is there any doubt Assad has been killing his own citizens for a while now? I mean...Obama sought congressional approval for action back in 2013. It's not like the situation has improved. Something's got to be done. Leave it to Trump to create an incredibly conflicting situation out of something I thought I had a pretty firm stance on. I support action in Syria - especially now since the rest of the world pretty much assumes we are useless under Trump. We need to show we are still a country that won't tolerate not just civil rights abuses but outright mass murder of a country's citizens. But taking action without congressional approval? Come ON...this is the same slippery slope we got on with Vietnam! And I still feel Johnson was infinitely more competent than Trump! There's got to be some reason for this change. I highly doubt Trump saw pictures of dead kids and his heart went out to them. Sorry, buddy...if you had shown a shred of decency or compassion in the past year I may have bought it. Could this be because Trump has realized Bannon and Preibus have caused so much damage, it's time to throw the Dems a bone? Is he trying to establish a war so that people back off the Russia investigation (never good to have a wartime commander in chief that's under investigation)? Or is Trump so easily influenced by those his have his ear that we see extreme action like this out of the blue (looking at you, Kushner)? I'm just so confused right now. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

04-07-2017, 11:38 AM	#3767 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	I change my mind. (temporary insanity) __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”