Frownland

Nuance isn't his thing, give it up. Trying to explain it to him is just going to make him angrier. He's repeatedly made it apparent that he cannot approach a discussion like an adult or even as a mentally stable person. Its Roxy Part II.

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Lucem Ferre

Force people to look for a job of the want assistance.

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DwnWthVwls

More than id like to admit.

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Isbjørn

Agree 100%, I was just adding the economic side to the equation. Unnecessary testing and screening is a waste of time and resources as well as humiliating and moralizing.

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DwnWthVwls

I dont have a problem with either of those examples receiving gov assistance.

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Chula Vista

Examples? We're talking about human beings here.

You do realize that these two "examples" are representative of a large number of people relying on social programs. I get that you are angry about the leeches that game the system, but you should be a bit more sensitive about the way you are expressing things.

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on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Isbjørn

Gotta agree. We shouldn't worry too much about "lazy" people or people who make bad decisions. That leads to pointing fingers at a minority and ruins social security for everyone. Politicians fabricate stories to justify welfare cuts. Let's not support their narrative.

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Isbjørn

Regardless, substance dependence shouldn't make you less eligible for benefits.

That's how it's done most places, I reckon. It's how it works in Norway, at least.

DWV, my problem here is that you brought up personal choices as a factor of seemingly macroeconomically significanct factor for why people are unemployed/on benefits/experienceing hardships. I don't see what that brings to the discussion apart from implying that people shouldn't receive benefits if their situation is caused by bad decision-making - and who's supposed to be the judge of that? Bureaucrats?

Fixation on personal decision-making is for the neoliberals who cut in out welfare, admittedly to create "incentives" to work.

I don't know about the US, but in Norway there are many able-bodied people receiving unemployment benefits due to transitional unemployment.

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DwnWthVwls

I already agreed with this in the first sentence you decided to remove from the quote.


I'm getting sick of rehashing the same points everytime someone new enters the discussion. Go back 10 or so pages and read.

Here: http://www.musicbanter.com/current-e...ml#post1828726

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Chula Vista

Then maybe re-think your approach because again, your overall tone on the subject is judemental and harsh. And even though you toss in a few nuggets of compassion now and then they are getting completely overshadowed.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”