DwnWthVwls

So we have government assistance and tons of charity, and we still have a problem, and yet you think it's somehow not any fault of our own or that we can't make better decisions to improve our situation? And if you agree, than why on earth should we not be responsible for those things?

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DwnWthVwls

If you say so.

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Isbjørn

Why do unemployment rates go dramatically up in times of crisis? Is it because people make bad personal financial choices en masse? No, it's because their employers sack them when their company goes bad. For many people it's very hard to find work after that, so of course they will need assistance benefits. This is not an agreeable situation - you merely receive a subsistence wage, which impels you to plan your expenses every month very carefully.

On the people who make bad decisions - as if everybody else make good decisions all the time - why should they not be allowed benefits? Assistance is absolutely essential when one can't find work. And shouldn't people be able to get another chance, even if they are partly responsible for their situations? Being unemployed and on benefits is punishment enough by itself. Besides, welfare administrations already spend too much time and resources on finding out who qualifies benefits - let's not complicate it further.

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DwnWthVwls

1. I already distinguished between people creating problems vs uncontrollable circumstances.

2. I already admitted not everyone is in bad positions because of poor decision making and that we SHOULD help them.. ie - being born into it, unplanned pregnancy, etc

3. I already said it's one of MANY problems that CAN be a factor.

Seriously, do you even read my posts or just browse them in a fit of rage and miss all the points? I don't have negative views of people who need assistance, I have negative views towards those who don't even try to better their position(WHEN POSSIBLE, another point I covered) when the problem is one they created.

At least you managed to not throw insults this time around.

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Chula Vista

It's the main overall tone. Yes you've snuck in some of those things but your main tone is one of almost resentment to anyone who has to lean on the government.

And it's not rage. Maybe a bit of alcohol haze, but not rage.

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DwnWthVwls

This is the kind of stuff where we have differing opinions. On one hand I agree that its ****ty to base receiving welfare on passing a drug test. On the other, if you know you need to be clean to get welfare, than get fucking clean or AT LEAST try, my god, and if you can't get clean right away at least show some effort by going to meetings or seeking free assistance.

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DwnWthVwls

Almost resentment, isn't resentment, and yes there is a tone, because I'm annoyed that we grow up learning that we have to take responsibility for our screw ups... Being grounded, bad grades in school, parent lectures, etc and then we turn into adults and it's all thrown out the window? No, I'm sorry, that's just not how life works, you don't get a free pass because the government offers assistance and you don't have parents to coddle you.

It's also not ANYONE who has to lean on the government it's a very specific group of do nothings. Maybe, it's not specific, but it's the attitude of these people that I have a problem with.

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Chula Vista

Perfect example of what I'm talking about.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

DwnWthVwls

So are you ever going to make a point as to why I should think differently or are you just going to keep complaining about my position and not try to show me why it's a poor one to hold?

I get that your disappointed or annoyed with me for thinking differently, I really don't care. Change my mind, present examples, provide counter points.. Demonstrate how it's good for society as a whole to be treated like children and never strive to improve problems through action.

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Chula Vista

And once again.

Stop painting with a broad brush.

My mentally ill 28 year old son gets $200 a month in food stamps because he's incapable of holding down a steady job due to his illness. Should he just suck it up and find away to ignore the demons in his brain?

My bread winning dad ran out on my mom when her kids were 1, 3, and 5 years old. She wasn't able to make ends meet working a job and having to pay for childcare so she could work, so she had to go on welfare. Explain what kind of action she should have taken to keep her kids fed.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”