What Did President Trump Do Now?

Lisnaholic · 03-20-2017, 06:33 PM

According to this guy's argument, Trump's conduct to date already justifies impeachment:-

My understanding is that there has to be much broader support for it, with politicians and public alike calling for impeachment, before any action is taken.

Alas, impeaching Trump wouldn't necessarily achieve much. I think the Republicans are treating Trump like a sacrificial pawn; put him out there, if he does some good for the cause, that's great. The day he is too toxic to be useful they'll throw him under the bus, because of course in this scenario the Republicans are playing chess, sitting on the sidewalk of a bus route.... Anyway, they'll just dust off their hands and try to push through many of the same policies with a less controvertial figurehead.

Lisnaholic · 03-20-2017, 07:07 PM

Yes, ditto on both of those. An impeachment on shakey grounds would be really hurtful to the image of US democracy. An impeachment attempt that failed to impeach would be even worse.

I was surprised to learn about the whole Electoral College weighting of votes in the US, which seems very unfair to the big citydwellers on both coasts.
If it's any consolation, the UK also has a complex voting system which also skews the idea of one man, one vote. Politicians (the electoral losers, of course) regularly call for Proportional Representation, but it hasn't happened yet because every party that wins under the existing system defends the existing system, regardless of what they may have said when they were the opposition party.

The Batlord · 03-20-2017, 07:09 PM

Our system exists because the rural South wouldn't have ratified the Constitution if they hadn't have had a voting counterweight against the more populous North. ****ty, especially since cities have an even greater share of the population today, but just a political necessity at the time.

Anteater · 03-20-2017, 07:28 PM

I'd vote for a more honest version of Barack Obama or Trump when he was in his mid 30's (when his thinking was more flexible and he leaned more left than right).

OccultHawk · 03-20-2017, 08:49 PM

His bitch ass is going to jail for treason and libel.

djchameleon · 03-20-2017, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Yes, ditto on both of those. An impeachment on shakey grounds would be really hurtful to the image of US democracy. An impeachment attempt that failed to impeach would be even worse.

Well that's what happened with Bill Clinton. They just didn't have enough votes to impeach him successfully. It was pretty close though.

Lisnaholic · 03-20-2017, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Our system exists because the rural South wouldn't have ratified the Constitution if they hadn't have had a voting counterweight against the more populous North. ****ty, especially since cities have an even greater share of the population today, but just a political necessity at the time.

That's interesting!
I used to think the Confederate flag was just a quaint bit of nostalgia, like humming along to The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down or watching The Good The Bad and The Ugly. Turns out those southern sentiments are nearer the surface than I thought.

EDIT: OK, thanks DJ, so there's a precedent for a call for impeachment that doesn't go all the way...

RoxyRollah · 03-20-2017, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I'm against impeachment ftr pending evidence of a real heinous crime

I'm for changing the election rules to something that actually resembles a democracy so we prevent these disasters

So .....a constitutional republic don't work for you?

**Frownland** · 03-20-2017, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

So .....a bastardized take on a constitutional republic don't work for you?

Not really, no.

rostasi · 03-20-2017, 11:42 PM

Rubio in 2016:

RUBIO: ...and obviously we all understand the importance of this presidential race.
I would just ask everybody this:
Can this country afford to have a president under investigation by the FBI?

AUDIENCE: No!

RUBIO: Think of the trauma that this would do to this country. <sic>

03-20-2017, 06:33 PM	#3351 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	According to this guy's argument, Trump's conduct to date already justifies impeachment:- My understanding is that there has to be much broader support for it, with politicians and public alike calling for impeachment, before any action is taken. Alas, impeaching Trump wouldn't necessarily achieve much. I think the Republicans are treating Trump like a sacrificial pawn; put him out there, if he does some good for the cause, that's great. The day he is too toxic to be useful they'll throw him under the bus, because of course in this scenario the Republicans are playing chess, sitting on the sidewalk of a bus route.... Anyway, they'll just dust off their hands and try to push through many of the same policies with a less controvertial figurehead. __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

03-20-2017, 07:07 PM	#3352 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	Yes, ditto on both of those. An impeachment on shakey grounds would be really hurtful to the image of US democracy. An impeachment attempt that failed to impeach would be even worse. I was surprised to learn about the whole Electoral College weighting of votes in the US, which seems very unfair to the big citydwellers on both coasts. If it's any consolation, the UK also has a complex voting system which also skews the idea of one man, one vote. Politicians (the electoral losers, of course) regularly call for Proportional Representation, but it hasn't happened yet because every party that wins under the existing system defends the existing system, regardless of what they may have said when they were the opposition party. __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

03-20-2017, 08:49 PM	#3355 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	His bitch ass is going to jail for treason and libel.

03-20-2017, 11:42 PM	#3360 (permalink)
rostasi . Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,007	Rubio in 2016: RUBIO: ...and obviously we all understand the importance of this presidential race. I would just ask everybody this: Can this country afford to have a president under investigation by the FBI? AUDIENCE: No! RUBIO: Think of the trauma that this would do to this country. <sic>