What Did President Trump Do Now?

Anteater · 03-19-2017, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Never said the government was. I said they're one of the only levers we have to use against corporations.

They certainly can be.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

No, I grew up from having simpleminded libertarian anti-government knee-jerk views to understanding that government—which is rife with it's own problems—is one of the only things that can curb corporate abuses.

Corporations will never stop trying to lobby government, but the government are the ones who keep that door open. As I said before...cut the money out. It'll be magical.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Apparently you didn't understand, considering your descriptions of my position.

To be fair, you don't seem to understand my position very well either if you really think Libertarians are "simpleminded".

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Cause when gubment takes its hands off big business, big business returns the favor? Yeah ok bud.

Have I ever been an advocate for deregulated big business over government? I think government can be worse, but nobody wants to live in the universe of Snow Crash either.

The Batlord · 03-19-2017, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

They certainly can be.

Corporations will never stop trying to lobby government, but the government are the ones who keep that door open. As I said before...cut the money out. It'll be magical.

To be fair, you don't seem to understand my position very well either if you really think Libertarians are "simpleminded".

So how do you intend to remove money from politics? Besides magic?

**Janszoon** · 03-19-2017, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

To be fair, you don't seem to understand my position very well either if you really think Libertarians are "simpleminded".

I know Libertarian thinking is simpleminded. But I will grant that I don't know to what degree you subscribe to it.

Chula Vista · 03-19-2017, 01:16 PM

Anteater - the most consevative sounding Libertarian I've ever read.

Anteater · 03-19-2017, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

So how do you intend to remove money from politics? Besides magic?

If today's people can't solve this problem, I'll just hope the superhumans of 2029 that Kurzweil talks about can build a better government than what we've seen so far.

http://www.trunews.com/article/futur...ly-12-yrs-away

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I know Libertarian thinking is simpleminded. But I will grant that I don't know to what degree you subscribe to it.

You'd have to qualify what you think is so simpleminded about Libertarian thinking so that we could talk about it reasonably.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Anteater - the most consevative sounding Libertarian I've ever read.

I find it more fun to debate fiscal issues than social ones. I am fiscally conservative in most respects, so that's why you perceive me that way.

djchameleon · 03-19-2017, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Real change will only occur if you can get money out of politics. That won't happen under a Democratic or Republican administration. You need something resembling the Libertarian ideal to be embraced by the mainstream voter.

Libertarians aren't the only ones that want to get money out of politics. There's an emerging group of progressives on the left that wants to do the same as well. It was being spear headed by Bernie Sanders but just because he didn't win the primary doesn't mean it has died off. The movement is still there it just hasn't gotten to the stage of naming itself a certain party name yet.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

No, I grew up from having simpleminded libertarian anti-government knee-jerk views to understanding that government—which is rife with it's own problems—is one of the only things that can curb corporate abuses.

This is very true. Most people that are for less regulations just want to get away with destroying the environment and abusing their workers in the process of attempting to gain more profit.

Also for all of Anteater's talk about how inefficient the government is, well without the government we wouldn't have: the computer, the internet, the rocket technology to go to the moon/space and launch satellites, etc

NASA and DoD have a lot of key inventions under their belt
most of the key life changing technological advances of the 20th century actually came about thanks to government funded research during and after World War 2.

DwnWthVwls · 03-19-2017, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

The movement is still there it just hasn't gotten to the stage of naming itself a certain party name yet.

Justice Democrats??

https://justicedemocrats.com/platform

djchameleon · 03-19-2017, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Justice Democrats??

https://justicedemocrats.com/platform

Yeah I guess that's pretty much it. Thought they would go with a different name.

Lucem Ferre · 03-20-2017, 03:10 AM

You guys focus too much on labels. The moment you start using these identities you lose focus on facts. Like the fact that we are all humans and we all pretty much want what is best for the country. And you focus more on your tribe winning. You add a degree of separation to make it easier to dismiss or hate the other tribes and every single thing becomes an us vs. them scenario. That's how politics has always worked, I guess, but I feel as though **** would be much more efficient if we could forget these stupid ****ing titles and labels and focus on being humans and listening and understanding and making compromises based on those things rather than hyperbole and slandering each other.

**** it, that **** won't happen.

DwnWthVwls · 03-20-2017, 09:24 AM

You know that means you can't be a juggalo anymore right?

03-19-2017, 01:16 PM	#3304 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Anteater - the most consevative sounding Libertarian I've ever read. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”