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Old 02-28-2017, 07:12 PM   #2831 (permalink)
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To be fair, there is a massive difference in the ethical standards of an individual and a government, so this is a false equivalency.
I'm not specifically speaking about public vs private spending. I'm talking about the general idea that in order to achieve pleasure from pretty much anything, you have to do something pointless. Want a better meal? Put seasoning on that ****, or buy more expensive ingredients, or expend more effort than is necessary to prepare and cook it. But that's ultimately a waste of time since you could have just eaten with only gaining sustenance in mind. And the **** wants that?

The same basic principle holds true for a great many things that would make life a much less interesting prospect if they didn't exist, from aesthetically pleasing architecture vs. utilitarian architecture, to buying and playing video games, to taking a walk in the park when you could be working. And often the money, time, and effort spent on these frivolous activities could be logically said to have been better spent on more practical concerns that would more obviously benefit society while ultimately making it boring and soulless.

And this is one great reason I support space exploration, because it provides cultural value to the human race that makes us a vastly more aesthetically interesting species than if we abandoned it to start crunching numbers.
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 02-28-2017, 07:24 PM   #2832 (permalink)
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Uh oh haven't solved every issue on earth better stop doing everything but focus on poverty.

Reminds me of this nonsense
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Old 02-28-2017, 07:28 PM   #2833 (permalink)
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Uh oh haven't solved every issue on earth better stop doing everything but focus on poverty.
Like when Republicans complain about spending on welfare when we're already spending too much on earmarks and therefore we shouldn't spend money on anything until political corruption has been solved?
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Old 02-28-2017, 07:30 PM   #2834 (permalink)
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you know that isn't my position though

the type of things I'd like to see get funding are the type of scientific solutions being dreamt up to halt Climate Change and thus save us from a whole lot of suffering

One example being that we can actually cool the Earth through a pollutant that does the exact opposite of Carbon, it reflect sunlight instead of catching it

what this means is that in theory we could control the temperature of the Earth

but when you have a president who won't even recognize that Global Warming is a thing...
Space exploration can help us better understand our own atmosphere and what makes it unique to make your fantasy a reality.
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Old 02-28-2017, 07:30 PM   #2835 (permalink)
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you know that isn't my position though

the type of things I'd like to see get funding are the type of scientific solutions being dreamt up to halt Climate Change and thus save us from a whole lot of suffering

One example being that we can actually cool the Earth through a pollutant that does the exact opposite of Carbon, it reflect sunlight instead of catching it

what this means is that in theory we could control the temperature of the Earth
You don't want us to spend money on something innocuous like space exploration, but you want to give humanity the ability to potentially destroy the Earth's climate through the law of unintended consequences? Have you no imagination?
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We're already controlling the Earths climate we're heating it until we all die more or less
That sounds identical to the situation you described earlier.
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Old 02-28-2017, 07:55 PM   #2837 (permalink)
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I will address the substance of your posts when there is genuine substance to your posts.
My post was about "where the **** is the money going to come from".

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The only thing that you've said against the benefits of space exploration is the misguided notion that there's nothing else for us to discover in space.
Dip****, I said that science has already proven there's nothing in our own universe other than the slim hope for Europa.

Learn to comprehend instead of simply knee-jerk reacting in order to try and get a rise out of me.

Can someone please install an IGNORE function to this board?
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Dip****, I said that science has already proven there's nothing in our own universe other than the slim hope for Europa.
What the **** are you talking about, you senile old bat?
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Dip****, I said that science has already proven there's nothing in our own universe other than the slim hope for Europa.
Source for this super wrong claim please.

Or would you rather I just have science prove itself wrong, as it's intended to do?
http://www.space.com/35806-trappist-1-facts.html

And let's not have any more name calling. I don't want to have to strike back and really hurt your feelings or anything like that.
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And this is one great reason I support space exploration, because it provides cultural value to the human race that makes us a vastly more aesthetically interesting species than if we abandoned it to start crunching numbers.
Would you agree that preserving the arts, our national parks, museums, making sure our children get good educations, taking care of our elderly, protecting the environment, maintaining our infrustucture are all great things for the United States? Not sure why you are talking about the human race - are you assuming that Russia, China, Europe, and the rich Arabs nations are going to start writing checks to fund the US so they can once again stare at the stars?

This is all about Trump wanting to spend trillions of dollars that this country doesn't have unless they gut the **** out of a lot of essential stuff.

I mean he's already gutting environmental stuff so that he can dump another $56 billion into our military so they can buy another 10,000 or so $200 toilet seats.

To be honest I find your attitude on this subject pretty naive and detached from whats currently going on in our country.
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