What Did President Trump Do Now?

Anteater · 03-23-2017, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

No

And no

It's basically the most irrelevant unfunny thing in politics rn
It was an obvious and pathetic attempt of a dodge to begin with that only his most devout followers went slobbering after

Trump Tower was wiretapped by the FBI from 2011 to 2013, but for a supposedly unrelated investigation that had nothing to do with Trump himself. Plus it predated his bid for the presidency by at least a year. Still interesting though.

The joke becomes funnier the more information you actually have. And the reactions I'm seeing so far are just icing on the cake.

Anteater · 03-23-2017, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

This isn't actually what happened

More importantly, it's meaningless, it's a dodge

It doesn't even belong in this thread

Wrong again. If Trump Tower was ever wiretapped in the last few years by the FBI for any reason then that's a very big deal and justifies Trump's "feelings" so to speak. Why? Because unless you are completely naive, then it should be obvious that the FBI collected a fair amount of information beyond the confines of that particular investigation for that time period. You really think they only bugged one floor? I don't buy it, and nobody else will either.

Again, you can't have it both ways. If you, Chula, etc. are going to stick to the view that there's a possibility that Trump ever corroborated with Russia despite a lack of any hard evidence, then you need to acknowledge possibilities in regards to some of these other allegations too, especially considering what we know about the FBI and NSA's capabilities. They aren't paradigms of morality any more than Trump is: they're just a million times better at controlling their audit trail. The insinuation game works both ways, and the truth is always somewhere in the middle.

Either way, the whole thing is a clusterfuck that makes both Trump and our intelligence agencies look worse than they did before.

**Frownland** · 03-24-2017, 07:48 AM

Did you read the poll though?

Anteater · 03-24-2017, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Did you read the poll though?

Yep, he's talking about the most recent one. But if you read the fine print on media who have "covered" this story:

"The poll, which has a 3 percent margin of error, was conducted by telephone with live interviewers from Sunday through Tuesday among a random national sample of 1,008 U.S. registered voters."

That's a very small sample size, plus we don't have any demographic breakdowns or any real information on how these interviewers conducted their questions. Which is why you end up with results that say "man, in comparison to the AHCA we really love the ACA that we said we hated before" even though that makes no sense whatsoever. A lot of people who dislike the AHCA disliked the ACA as well.

I think I'd like it at this point if Paul Ryan would hop on a big-ass hot air balloon and fly away, never to return.

Chula Vista · 03-24-2017, 09:07 AM

Ant plays the following cards:

1. I know someone who was in the FBI therefore what I post has more merit.

2. I use to conduct polls therefore what I post has more merit.

3. My assumptions have more merit than your assumptions.

No-one said that anyone loves the ACA. Nice try though. What the poll states is that the the majority of those asked, who identified themselves as republicans, said they think the ACHA is departing too radically from the ACA.

Did you read the updated CBO report that was issued yesterday? Trumpcare is even worse that what they first reported now that they have studied the changes being made to try and get it to pass the house.

(is this where I'm supposed to post a smilie to show that I'm just having fun with all of this?)

Chula Vista · 03-24-2017, 09:26 AM

Get ready to meet:

Anteater · 03-24-2017, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Ant plays the following cards:

1. I know someone who was in the FBI therefore what I post has more merit.

2. I use to conduct polls therefore what I post has more merit.

3. My assumptions have more merit than your assumptions.

No-one said that anyone loves the ACA. Nice try though. What the poll states is that the the majority of those asked, who identified themselves as republicans, said they think the ACHA is departing too radically from the ACA.

Did you read the updated CBO report that was issued yesterday? Trumpcare is even worse that what they first reported now that they have studied the changes being made to try and get it to pass the house.

(is this where I'm supposed to post a smilie to show that I'm just having fun with all of this?)

Correct: what I say has more merit than you (in this particular argument) because I have more real world experience and know a wide range of people whom I actively communicate with and learn from, which in this case includes an FBI veteran. I sincerely apologize if you don't like that. You may not be having fun, but I love this stuff.

You are a pretty smart guy, but I also realized a long time ago that we'll probably never agree on anything outside of music.

As for Trumpcare, I had a wait and see attitude coupled with a high degree of skepticism. The skepticism I had proved to be well warranted. You didn't need to sell me on that.

Chula Vista · 03-24-2017, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Correct: what I say has more merit than you because I have more real world experience.

1. All of your information is second hand news from people who shouldn't be sharing the information in the first place.

2. You haven't a clue about my real world experience so **** off with your assumptions and your arrogance.

Trump just ordered Paul Ryan to yank the ACHA bill because it was going to fail miserably. The republicans had 7 years and 1 day to figure out how to repeal the ACA. They have campaigned for that entire time and have won seats on the premise they were going to do it once Obama was out of office. Trump guaranteed he'd get it done. Guaranteed it over and over again. Trump has a majority in the house and senate.

FAILED MISERABLY.

Ryan and Price already have tire tracks across their butts. Trump's next few tweets should be very amusing.

**Frownland** · 03-24-2017, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Trump just ordered Paul Ryan to yank the ACHA bill because it was going to fail miserably. The republicans had 7 years and 1 day to figure out how to repeal the ACA. They have campaigned for that entire time and have won seats on the premise they were going to do it once Obama was out of office. Trump guaranteed he'd get it done. Guaranteed it over and over again. Trump has a majority in the house and senate.

I think that they spent more time in the past seven years zeroing in on how bad ACA was as a political move than actually crafting policy. Hopefully this will be a kick in the pants that leads to a more coherently constructed policy. Better to own up to your mistakes before they have any real-world effect than to stubbornly push it through because of promises. It's like the new season of Rick & Morty: they said it would be here already and while it sucks that it's not, I would rather they take their time and make something worthwhile.

Chula Vista · 03-24-2017, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I think that they spent more time in the past seven years zeroing in on how bad ACA was as a political move than actually crafting policy. Hopefully this will be a kick in the pants that leads to a more coherently constructed policy. Better to own up to your mistakes before they have any real-world effect than to stubbornly push it through because of promises.

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Ant plays the following cards: 1. I know someone who was in the FBI therefore what I post has more merit. 2. I use to conduct polls therefore what I post has more merit. 3. My assumptions have more merit than your assumptions. No-one said that anyone loves the ACA. Nice try though. What the poll states is that the the majority of those asked, who identified themselves as republicans, said they think the ACHA is departing too radically from the ACA. Did you read the updated CBO report that was issued yesterday? Trumpcare is even worse that what they first reported now that they have studied the changes being made to try and get it to pass the house. (is this where I'm supposed to post a smilie to show that I'm just having fun with all of this?) __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

03-24-2017, 09:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Get ready to meet: __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”