What Did President Trump Do Now?

Chula Vista · 12-18-2016, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Because the US has an electoral college. That's your system that selects the winner of the presidency.

Of course. But don't sit there with a straight face and say that Trump won by a massive amount. Trump saying it is predictable. Goofle saying it is laughable.

**Frownland** · 12-18-2016, 01:42 PM

I don't know if utilizing it means loving it, but either way it's quite a stupid thing to debate someone's attitudes towards something. That's really only something they can tell you.

Chula Vista · 12-18-2016, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Why is a straight popular vote any better or less corruptible than the Electoral College system? Going by the popular vote, the populations of California and New York would determine every single election cycle. Which is another of way saying "if you live in any of these 46+ something other states across thousands of miles, your vote doesn't matter if you don't live in Los Angeles or New York City".

Complete and utter bullsh*t. There has been 58 presidential elections in the US. Since 1888 there's only been two times that the winner didn't get the popular vote. GWB lost in 2000 by 0.5% of the PV. Trump lost by 2.1%. The electoral college needs to be re-tooled.

**Goofle** · 12-18-2016, 03:31 PM

Did Hillary win the popular vote? Nobody said.

Key · 12-18-2016, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Did Hillary win the popular vote? Nobody said.

By like 3 million votes. Where have you been?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 12-18-2016, 03:41 PM

#triggered

**Goofle** · 12-18-2016, 03:50 PM

The gap closed due to the recount. Should recount the whole bleeding thing in my opinion.

djchameleon · 12-18-2016, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

To me, Trump's run and desire to become President seems surreal considering his track record and lack of political ties. There's no obvious reason why he'd even take on the presidential run when he could have done so years ago with better chances (like in the early 90's). He's 70 years old with a global business that thrives on his brand but requires his involvement consistently. He has plenty of money, enough to go live on a private island the rest of his life with a personal harem of maids if he really wanted it. Becoming president actually puts his business at a much higher level of risk and scrutiny than it would have under normal circumstances. Why even bother unless he genuinely wanted to serve the public? The whole thing is a big question mark.

How do you not see how much money his businesses made during the campaign season? Yes he did lose some money over the polarizing comments that he made where certain businesses no longer wanted to be associated with his brand but other than that. He ended up coming out in the black as far as his businesses goes just by running for president. Don't you think that will continue with him as president? He's setting himself up for so many conflicts of interest right now but he's going to continue doing it until he's forced to stop.

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When you really look at this (assuming you can take the hate-blinders off for a second), the financial incentive is dubious at best. In order to be president, he has to personally cut ties with the business that's been his entire livelihood and leave running it to his kids or lesser executives (which he would never do under normal circumstances if his ego is as inflated as some believe). And yet he pursued the presidency knowing he'd have to eventually do that, which is rather interesting. Not to mention that over the last year and a half he's been under more scrutiny and stress than he's likely ever been in the last six decades of his life. Again: why bother?

Again profits for his businesses and all those campaign donations that ended up just funneled into the businesses and didn't even really go towards the campaigns. He has himself set up so lovely that he doesn't even want the salary that the president gets. He's going to do one of those just give me a 1 dollar for the year because he's making so much from his businesses and if you think he's ever going to be fully detached from his businesses think again. He's basically handing them off to his kids which he can just invite over for dinner and tell him how he wants it run but I'm sure he trusts them to run it the way that he would and if they are doing anything he doesn't like he can just easily talk to them about it. Also deep down to be honest, I think Trump didn't really expect to win. He did it for the money and then when he noticed he had a real chance, he ran with it. He didn't fully come around to thinking that he could actually win til probably the last week before the election.

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Originally Posted by Anteater

From my point of view, someone like Trump getting elected was an inevitability after the ACA debacle and the numerous (albeit debatable) missteps Obama has made over the last eight years. There are just too many people who feel that the Democratic Party doesn't genuinely care about their livelihoods and a younger generation that sees the overall slant of the media and feel like "any" change is better than none. And when you live in a world where both parties seem equally evil and corrupt, someone who claims to be part of neither trying to step up to the plate is rather appealing. Trump co-opted to the Republicans to win, but as noted by others he not really a Republican nor a Democrat.

Trump pretty much used that base and the people on the fringe that doesn't like establishment politicians to win along with all the people that are out of work or have been on hard times with their job or finding a job. He also was spewing so much hate speech that riled up his hardcore fans they wanted to make a final stand against PC culture. People that voted for Trump but want to distance themselves and not be called a bigot/racist for supporting a conman that tapped into the feelings of hatred that people were feeling towards Obama and specific groups whether they are immigrants who they feel are stealing jobs from them or them damn niggers that are just soaking up safety net programs and aren't contributing. Also he played off of the fear that Muslims are evil and need to be registered upon entering the country which is such a POS. If someone said that about Christians there would be hell to pay. Even if you don't believe any of those positions but still voted for Trump. You co-opted that behavior. You are basically saying it's okay to hate those groups. There is no separation there.

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Unless you decide to ditch that system and go for a straight majority vote, what's the point even bringing up the majority vote?

This is the reason why it is constantly mentioned because people believe it's time for a change to the system. Just because it's a current law on the books doesn't mean that it should stay that way forever.

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

So this thread is basically the donald trump 4 prez thread again. Wonderful.

Except he's not running for president and IS president.

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

It's almost like it's pointless to have either.

You can walk your happy ass out of it. Why post in it if you feel like it's pointless. Bye!

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Why is a straight popular vote any better or less corruptible than the Electoral College system? Going by the popular vote, the populations of California and New York would determine every single election cycle. Which is another of way saying "if you live in any of these 46+ something other states across thousands of miles, your vote doesn't matter if you don't live in Los Angeles or New York City".

If you want to create even easier, more obvious targets for America's foreign enemies to literally hack our elections in ways you can't even begin to imagine, then I can't think of a better scenario than a popular vote, especially in our society today where the American left are just as easily led by the media as Trump's supporters were led by his rhetoric.

Our votes currently don't matter if we live in LA and NYC. The only votes that matter as you know are battleground states because of the Electoral College. They don't even bother campaigning in certain states because of it and those people's voices are drowned out and ignored. There needs to be some sort of change because it doesn't matter if you are for the Electoral College or against it. People's votes will be ignored either way depending on where you live.

Key · 12-18-2016, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

The gap closed due to the recount. Should recount the whole bleeding thing in my opinion.

Final Results Show Clinton Won Popular Vote By Over 2.8 Million - The New Civil Rights Movement

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Clinton's raw vote total — 65,788,567 — is also the third-highest of any presidential candidate in history, behind only President Barack Obama's in 2008 and 2012.

Not sure where you're getting your information.

**Frownland** · 12-18-2016, 05:02 PM

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the third-highest of any presidential candidate in history

To contextualize this, there are oodles more people these days. I see a lot of people thinking that this means as a percentage of the population. She still way outdoes the difference in the popular vote compared to the 2000 election though.

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