What Did President Trump Do Now?

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 08:30 PM

I'll humor you one more time before I go back to ignoring you.. The problem is with the amount of people illegally immigrating from Mexico. There is nothing wrong with those people, the problem is with the quantity and the inability of our current systems to handle the affects immigration has on population management policy.

Trollheart · 02-15-2017, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Well for one muslim isn't a race.. and 2 there is already a fucking wall. He wants to bolster something that already exists to prevent a problem that the US has accepted as a problem for a long time. Just because he ran his campaign on it that had all the biggest pieces of shit in America flocking to him, doesn't make either of those policies racist in and of themselves. Do Mexico and Canada not have policies that prevent us from sneaking in and living there illegally?

You're just splitting hairs now. Sure, Muslims are not a race, but his policy is predicated on the (totally false) idea or fear that Muslims will be carrying bombs into the USA or are all arriving with the intention of committing terrorist acts. Gypsies aren't a race either, and though I hesitate to use the H word, it doesn't make Adolf not a racist that he targeted them along with Jews and other "inferiors".

Also, do you not consider the walls erected in Serbia, Hungary and other European countries to keep out the immigrants racist, because I certainly do. I don't see any real difference between that and this Mexican Wall. Whether there's one there or not is not the issue: the fact that he wants to expand it AND make them pay for the ****ing thing is not only racist but totally arrogant. I mean, back before 1990 would you have considered then East Germany racist if they had expanded the Berlin Wall, built it higher? Just because a bad thing is there already, doesn't make adding to it any less reprehensible.

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I change my answer to them being racist.

Lol. I hate you. It's not racist you ass. You have to assess what your economy and social systems can handle. If an overwhelming amount of immigration is hurting a country it only makes sense to try and prevent it to better establish themselves.

To steal an analogy from someone:

You have 2 people. 1 is starving and the other has only enough food not to starve. Do you take food from the starving person? If you do neither will live. Yes, it's better to share the wealth, but not if you're making the situation worse for everyone instead of just one party. That's illogical.

How does the saying go? Cutting off your nose to spite your face?

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You're just splitting hairs now. Sure, Muslims are not a race, but his policy is predicated on the (totally false) idea or fear that Muslims will be carrying bombs into the USA or are all arriving with the intention of committing terrorist acts. Gypsies aren't a race either, and though I hesitate to use the H word, it doesn't make Adolf not a racist that he targeted them along with Jews and other "inferiors".

Also, do you not consider the walls erected in Serbia, Hungary and other European countries to keep out the immigrants racist, because I certainly do. I don't see any real difference between that and this Mexican Wall. Whether there's one there or not is not the issue: the fact that he wants to expand it AND make them pay for the ****ing thing is not only racist but totally arrogant. I mean, back before 1990 would you have considered then East Germany racist if they had expanded the Berlin Wall, built it higher? Just because a bad thing is there already, doesn't make adding to it any less reprehensible.

Sorry Troll. Thank you for the response but I already addressed this in the convo I had since you posted your original comment. You can go back and read my arguments, and if you'd like to offer a counter point (that I have not considered) I'd be more than happy to talk it through with you.

Lucem Ferre · 02-15-2017, 08:41 PM

I don't think illegal immigration makes nearly as much of an impact as people claim, but at the same time we have some of the most relaxed immigration laws of any 1st world country. I have a friend who was going to move to UK to be with his now wife. He was deported soon as he got off the plane. His wife moved here and is now working on her citizenship. Because it's easy.

We are built on immigration. Nobody wants people to stop immigrating. They just want them to do it legally. And for those that want people to do it legally, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I get how a lot of the immigration back lash comes from white racist nationalist trash, but not all. And those that are not racist have a good point. And it's not just white people that think people should be immigrating legally. For any dumb ass liberal that wants to make it into a race thing, shut the **** up because you give your party a bad name. And that's sad, because you are the better party.

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I don't think illegal immigration makes nearly as much of an impact as people claim, but at the same time we have some of the most relaxed immigration laws of any 1st world country. I have a friend who was going to move to UK to be with his now wife. He was deported soon as he got off the plane. His wife moved here and is now working on her citizenship. Because it's easy.

We are built on immigration. Nobody wants people to stop immigrating. They just want them to do it legally. And for those that want people to do it legally, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I get how a lot of the immigration back lash comes from white racist nationalist trash, but not all. And those that are not racist have a good point. And it's not just white people that think people should be immigrating legally. For any dumb ass liberal that wants to make it into a race thing, shut the **** up because you give your party a bad name. And that's sad, because you are the better party.

Better stop now. You're making sense and will be labeled a racist by MB.

**Frownland** · 02-15-2017, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

We are built on immigration. Nobody wants people to stop immigrating. They just want them to do it legally. And for those that want people to do it legally, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Totally. However, our immigration system is unnecessarily difficult to navigate, especially for people in an unstable situation. We need help policy reform, and a wall is not it.

Lucem Ferre · 02-15-2017, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Better stop now. You're making sense and will be labeled a racist by MB.

Yeah, I've seen the jokes these people laugh at.

And I also don't care. On half thinks I'm racist, the other thinks I'm an SJW. I'm just somebody that thinks for them self. I know, it's rare to see.

Lucem Ferre · 02-15-2017, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Totally. However, our immigration system is unnecessarily difficult to navigate, especially for people in an unstable situation. We need help policy reform, and a wall is not it.

I didn't say I support a wall. A wall is ****ing stupid.

Our immigration laws are confusing, but most countries just won't take people if their situation is unstable. Like Canada, you have to have a certain amount of money and some kind of skills proving that you can make it in the work force.

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 08:56 PM

Like usual you leave shit out to make yourself look good, but you're forgetting the very important word, ILLEGAL.

Lucem Ferre · 02-15-2017, 09:03 PM

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No because the line of reasoning to push immigration as "bad" is

1. always ridiculous/completely incompatible with what we know

2. in itself ****ing racist

No, it's not racist in it's self. You know, when you call things racist that aren't really racist you demean the things that really are racist and take the focus away from them. It's disgusting. It's like whiny bitches claiming or self diagnosing themselves with mental illness because they think it's cool or they need to be a victim.

Also, it's not about immigration. It's about illegal immigration. Which has less to do with race and more to do with the people living here contributing to society. You think illegal immigrants get properly trained or supervised when doing work? You think they pay taxes to contribute to the country? Do you think they get drafted to war? Or have to do jury duty?