What Did President Trump Do Now?

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 07:09 PM

I'd agree that the muslim ban is xenophobic considering the countries targeted, but border policy is necessary as a matter of function. And don't go giving me that elph argument of "Germany is just fine without it" because we are not Germany. The US is not in a position to take on a bunch more people right now, it's not xenophobic or racist. We have enough problems with the lower class that aren't being addressed and you want to take on a bigger burden?

For the record, I don't agree with the wall, and I think people should be allowed to come here, but they need to do it through the proper channels. And you completely ignored my question about border policies in Canada/Mexico. Are they xenophobic/racist?

**Frownland** · 02-15-2017, 07:10 PM

I say that it's driven by racism because his justifications for the wall was to keep the rapists and murderers out, not because of any (although outlandishly overblown) real world issues that we see from immigration (which aren't exactly the fault of immigrants, but that's another convo).

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 07:14 PM

We are not analyzing his justifications. We are analyzing the policies themselves. And I'm still waiting for my question to be answered.

**Frownland** · 02-15-2017, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

We are not analyzing his justifications. We are analyzing the policies themselves. And I'm still waiting for my question to be answered.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I think Anteater made it pretty clear multiple times that regardless if Trump is a racist or not, his policies are not driven by racism.

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To answer your question: hells yes let's take more on.

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 07:17 PM

That's not the question I was talking about.. I asked 2x now if the border policies of Canada and Mexico are xenophobic/racist towards Americans.

**Frownland** · 02-15-2017, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

That's not the question I was talking about.. I asked 2x now if the border policies of Canada and Mexico are xenophobic/racist towards Americans.

Ah, didn't catch that. I think that Mexico's border policy is not racist because it is essentially nonexistent lol. Canada's might be, I don't know much about it. What do you think is racist about it?

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 07:23 PM

Nothing. Border policies are not made to keep out specific people. They are made to keep out everyone unless they are approved to enter because they serve as a tool to keep that country's systems functioning. If Germany has open policy that's great, they either don't have enough people migrating to matter or they have systems in place to deal with it. We however do not, it's just that simple.

**Frownland** · 02-15-2017, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Nothing. Border policies are not made to keep out specific people. They are made to keep out everyone unless they are approved to enter because they serve as a tool to keep that country's systems functioning. If Germany has open policy that's great, they either don't have enough people migrating to matter or they have systems in place to deal with it. We however do not, it's just that simple.

You're right that border policies aren't inherently racist. I still highly believe that the motivations for the wall are exclusively racist, which makes the wall racist too. Also, calling the wall border policy is a bit of a misnomer, isn't it? Since border policy is meant to have an actual effect on immigration, like the wall will fail to do in any kind of significant way?

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 02-15-2017, 07:37 PM

the whole trump rise has tricked canadians into thinking we shouldn't being taking in many immigrants either but unfortunately they're ignoring the fact that we'll end up severely under-populated without immigration.

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 07:39 PM

But the wall is already there.. You're acting like he's introducing something new. I don't know the history of the wall, but I'm curious to know if everyone cried racism when it was first built. I don't even know who built it.

I'll even concede to you that immigration from Mexico may not be as big of a problem it's made out to be. I'd have to do some research or you'd have to make a case, but the bottom line is: the wall is there to help prevent people from undermining border policies, and if he thinks that improving it would help prevent the undermining of those policies than it's not racist policy.

This argument is analogous to putting more cops in high crime areas to help restrict increasing crime rates, where crime is immigration and cops are the wall.

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