What Did President Trump Do Now?

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 05:53 PM

I think Anteater made it pretty clear multiple times that regardless if Trump is a racist or not, his policies are not driven by racism. Idk why it's hard to see the difference. If you're gonna sit here accepting that almost all the presidents before him were racist, but claim it doesn't matter then I'd hope you'd apply the same logic to Trump unless he is trying to enact policy that is in fact racist.

Trollheart · 02-15-2017, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I think Anteater made it pretty clear multiple times that regardless if Trump is a racist or not, his policies are not driven by racism. Idk why it's hard to see the difference. If you're gonna sit here accepting that almost all the presidents before him were racist, but claim it doesn't matter then I'd hope you'd apply the same logic to Trump unless he is trying to enact policy that is in fact racist.

How can building a wall to keep one race out of America (one of the biggest building blocks - sorry! - of his campaign) and banning immigration from Muslim countries not be seen as racist? And these are clear policies he's pushing, so, you know, idk what you mean...

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 06:00 PM

Well for one muslim isn't a race.. and 2 there is already a fucking wall. He wants to bolster something that already exists to prevent a problem that the US has accepted as a problem for a long time. Just because he ran his campaign on it that had all the biggest pieces of shit in America flocking to him, doesn't make either of those policies racist in and of themselves. Do Mexico and Canada not have policies that prevent us from sneaking in and living there illegally?

**Frownland** · 02-15-2017, 06:04 PM

Both are quite clearly driven by racist/xenophobic attitudes.

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 06:09 PM

I'd agree that the muslim ban is xenophobic considering the countries targeted, but border policy is necessary as a matter of function. And don't go giving me that elph argument of "Germany is just fine without it" because we are not Germany. The US is not in a position to take on a bunch more people right now, it's not xenophobic or racist. We have enough problems with the lower class that aren't being addressed and you want to take on a bigger burden?

For the record, I don't agree with the wall, and I think people should be allowed to come here, but they need to do it through the proper channels. And you completely ignored my question about border policies in Canada/Mexico. Are they xenophobic/racist?

**Frownland** · 02-15-2017, 06:10 PM

I say that it's driven by racism because his justifications for the wall was to keep the rapists and murderers out, not because of any (although outlandishly overblown) real world issues that we see from immigration (which aren't exactly the fault of immigrants, but that's another convo).

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 06:14 PM

We are not analyzing his justifications. We are analyzing the policies themselves. And I'm still waiting for my question to be answered.

**Frownland** · 02-15-2017, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

We are not analyzing his justifications. We are analyzing the policies themselves. And I'm still waiting for my question to be answered.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I think Anteater made it pretty clear multiple times that regardless if Trump is a racist or not, his policies are not driven by racism.

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To answer your question: hells yes let's take more on.

DwnWthVwls · 02-15-2017, 06:17 PM

That's not the question I was talking about.. I asked 2x now if the border policies of Canada and Mexico are xenophobic/racist towards Americans.

**Frownland** · 02-15-2017, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

That's not the question I was talking about.. I asked 2x now if the border policies of Canada and Mexico are xenophobic/racist towards Americans.

Ah, didn't catch that. I think that Mexico's border policy is not racist because it is essentially nonexistent lol. Canada's might be, I don't know much about it. What do you think is racist about it?

02-15-2017, 06:04 PM	#2314 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Both are quite clearly driven by racist/xenophobic attitudes. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

02-15-2017, 06:10 PM	#2316 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I say that it's driven by racism because his justifications for the wall was to keep the rapists and murderers out, not because of any (although outlandishly overblown) real world issues that we see from immigration (which aren't exactly the fault of immigrants, but that's another convo). __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x