What Did President Trump Do Now?

Anteater · 02-13-2017, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Yes but Trump is a racist to a worse degree and his policies are motivated by these biases

It's super simple

"But he hired black people" is an even more limp wrist defense than the classic "but I have lots of black friends"

Not at all. Employees cost, you know, this thing called money. Plus benefits plus insurance plus whatever else. You told me you work, right? If your boss had a serious racial problem with you, do you really think you would have been hired over some other candidate?

Anteater · 02-13-2017, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

1. Whites have never had a problem with having blacks be subordinates to them

2. My employer is not doing me a favor, is not a friend and would fire me if I wasn't a solid employee

1. Yeah...as long as they're working for free or for slave wages. What I'm talking about is a completely different scenario. More than a few of Trump's top managers in the Trump Organization are not white and/or are women. You know Trump's personality: would he really hire anyone like that if he harbored deep seated, hate-driven racism? You guys can't tell me on one side that he's shallow, motivated only by money, etc. and then try to make him to be some complex, multi-faceted racist on the other hand. It doesn't add up.

2. If you were African-American and your employer was the kind of racist that others are "attempting" to argue that Trump is, you would have never been hired in the first place. I guarantee it.

Also, I hate The Huffington Post, but hey if I can use a liberal article written by an extreme liberal writer to illustrate a point then you can bet your bottom dollar I will.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-de..._10417888.html

Chula Vista · 02-13-2017, 09:58 PM

National Security Advisor Michael Flynn resigns after only a few weeks in office.

White House has known for a month that Flynn was suspect to blackmail by Russia. Trump knew all along.

Kellyanne Conway comes out and says Trump has full confidence in Flynn. An hour later Spicer contradicts her. Two hours later he's fired.

Unprecedented.

Chula Vista · 02-13-2017, 10:06 PM

Sure Trump's casinos hire blacks. They also make sure they are out of sight when Trump and his wife are in the room.

Don't be obtuse.

Tristan_Geoff · 02-13-2017, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Don't feed Anteater.

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Key · 02-13-2017, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

You missed the point I was making completely. Yes, Trump is "racist"...but so is everyone to some extent. FDR was a racist. JFK was a racist to some extent and misogynistic. We've never had a president who didn't exhibit issues of character at some point. Not a single one. And liberals can be very racist too: go read some of the things supposedly "tolerant" liberals have said about Sen. Tim Scott on Twitter based on an opinion he had when choosing to endorse Sessions.

The logical fallacy that you and countless others make in your analysis of Trump is that he is PERSONALLY driven by racial hatred, which is what I'm arguing against. He did not run for president because he hates other races. The fact that racists flocked to him was a byproduct of his populist approach and nationalist ideas in regards to America's place in the world: racism wasn't his core message and it never motivated him in any of his business ventures previously. The truth is that Trump doesn't care about race at all. For better or for worse. If radical white Irishmen were the ones donning exploding vests in places like France, he'd ban Ireland and target anyone who looked white with stereotypical red hair.

Someone saying that "I don't understand racism" is not a logical argument when I point to his hiring history, which is a reasonable argument to make considering how it has already been discussed here, for instance, that if a business doesn't tolerate homosexuality for religious reasons they certainly won't go out of their way to hire people of that orientation. Racists who make decisions in life based on hatred follow a similar principle. If I have no credibility, then prove it with an argument that works.

So you're basically once again excusing his racist and sexist remarks because "others before him were also racist." Sorry, but no. Donald Trump is different. He played to the weak white republican party in order to persuade people in other parties and races to vote for him. His racist and sexist remarks were built out of fear and that is what got him the support. He promised things he couldn't deliver. He supported things many people would see as classless and wrong. He tempted fate and won through cabinet nominations and otherwise. But it was ok because he was running for the most important chair in the country. Again, when you hold that power, of course people are going to cling to you whether it's through racist remarks or otherwise.

Sure, I guess I could agree that maybe his entire campaign wasn't built on hatred and bigotry, but a large chunk of it was. But a large chunk of his support stemmed from people being upset with how things are and evidently Trump promised things that could fix those problems. Again, lies.

In summation: just because other people have done it, doesn't mean Trump should be any less held accountable.

Anteater · 02-13-2017, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

So you're basically once again excusing his racist and sexist remarks because "others before him were also racist." Sorry, but no. Donald Trump is different. He played to the weak white republican party in order to persuade people in other parties and races to vote for him. His racist and sexist remarks were built out of fear and that is what got him the support. He promised things he couldn't deliver. He supported things many people would see as classless and wrong. He tempted fate and won through cabinet nominations and otherwise. But it was ok because he was running for the most important chair in the country. Again, when you hold that power, of course people are going to cling to you whether it's through racist remarks or otherwise.

Sure, I guess I could agree that maybe his entire campaign wasn't built on hatred and bigotry, but a large chunk of it was. But a large chunk of his support stemmed from people being upset with how things are and evidently Trump promised things that could fix those problems. Again, lies.

In summation: just because other people have done it, doesn't mean Trump should be any less held accountable.

I'll do you one better: Trump conned a weak party into believing that he was what they wanted to see. And some of them wanted to see him as a white power leader. Doesn't mean that's what he really is.

To quote that HuffPost article I mentioned earlier: being prejudiced and being racist are different things but related. Maybe I should have been differentiating that terminology too since it seems to have created confusion.

Tristan_Geoff · 02-13-2017, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

"guys I have black friends I'm not racist"

and that's an opinion blog piece it holds no water

preach it

Anteater · 02-13-2017, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

"guys I have black friends I'm not racist"

and that's an opinion blog piece it holds no water

Also written june of last year so he can be excused for nativity I guess

Still holds water a year later. Give me a call when you can do better than the guy who wrote that opinion piece. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Key · 02-13-2017, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

I'll do you one better: Trump conned a weak party into believing that he was what they wanted to see. And some of them wanted to see him as a white power leader. Doesn't mean that's what he really is.

To quote that HuffPost article I mentioned earlier: being prejudiced and being racist are different things. Maybe I should have been differentiating that terminology too since it seems to have created confusion.

This doesn't just happen out of the blue. You have to have done something in your life in order to call those types of opinions toward yourself (Talking about Trump, not you specifically). I'm shocked that you're still willing to defend Trump as not being a racist, when if you were to ask anyone with a brain, they'd say otherwise. The proof is pretty clear, but for whatever reason, you choose to ignore it.

Also, quoting HuffPost is a bad move since apparently they're extremely biased.

02-13-2017, 09:58 PM	#2243 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	National Security Advisor Michael Flynn resigns after only a few weeks in office. White House has known for a month that Flynn was suspect to blackmail by Russia. Trump knew all along. Kellyanne Conway comes out and says Trump has full confidence in Flynn. An hour later Spicer contradicts her. Two hours later he's fired. Unprecedented. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

02-13-2017, 10:06 PM	#2244 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Sure Trump's casinos hire blacks. They also make sure they are out of sight when Trump and his wife are in the room. Don't be obtuse. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”