Originally Posted by Anteater

You missed the point I was making completely. Yes, Trump is "racist"...but so is everyone to some extent. FDR was a racist. JFK was a racist to some extent and misogynistic. We've never had a president who didn't exhibit issues of character at some point. Not a single one. And liberals can be very racist too: go read some of the things supposedly "tolerant" liberals have said about Sen. Tim Scott on Twitter based on an opinion he had when choosing to endorse Sessions.

The logical fallacy that you and countless others make in your analysis of Trump is that he is PERSONALLY driven by racial hatred, which is what I'm arguing against. He did not run for president because he hates other races. The fact that racists flocked to him was a byproduct of his populist approach and nationalist ideas in regards to America's place in the world: racism wasn't his core message and it never motivated him in any of his business ventures previously. The truth is that Trump doesn't care about race at all. For better or for worse. If radical white Irishmen were the ones donning exploding vests in places like France, he'd ban Ireland and target anyone who looked white with stereotypical red hair.

Someone saying that "I don't understand racism" is not a logical argument when I point to his hiring history, which is a reasonable argument to make considering how it has already been discussed here, for instance, that if a business doesn't tolerate homosexuality for religious reasons they certainly won't go out of their way to hire people of that orientation. Racists who make decisions in life based on hatred follow a similar principle. If I have no credibility, then prove it with an argument that works.

Originally Posted by Kiiii

So you're basically once again excusing his racist and sexist remarks because "others before him were also racist." Sorry, but no. Donald Trump is different. He played to the weak white republican party in order to persuade people in other parties and races to vote for him. His racist and sexist remarks were built out of fear and that is what got him the support. He promised things he couldn't deliver. He supported things many people would see as classless and wrong. He tempted fate and won through cabinet nominations and otherwise. But it was ok because he was running for the most important chair in the country. Again, when you hold that power, of course people are going to cling to you whether it's through racist remarks or otherwise.

Sure, I guess I could agree that maybe his entire campaign wasn't built on hatred and bigotry, but a large chunk of it was. But a large chunk of his support stemmed from people being upset with how things are and evidently Trump promised things that could fix those problems. Again, lies.

In summation: just because other people have done it, doesn't mean Trump should be any less held accountable.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I was called upon by the muses for greatness.

Originally Posted by Frownland

I'm bald, ja.

Originally Posted by elphenor

"guys I have black friends I'm not racist"

and that's an opinion blog piece it holds no water

Originally Posted by Neward Thelman

"SMOKE CRACK MUDA****KKA"

I'll check that dictionary, but in the meantime I'm impressed - as is everyone else in the world - by your eloquence, obvious accomplishments and success, and the evidence of your blazingly high intelligence.

Originally Posted by Frownland

He just doesn't have a mind so closed that it rivals Blockbuster.

Originally Posted by elphenor

I own the mail

Originally Posted by elphenor

"guys I have black friends I'm not racist"

and that's an opinion blog piece it holds no water

Also written june of last year so he can be excused for nativity I guess

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I was called upon by the muses for greatness.

Originally Posted by Frownland

I'm bald, ja.

Originally Posted by Anteater

I'll do you one better: Trump conned a weak party into believing that he was what they wanted to see. And some of them wanted to see him as a white power leader. Doesn't mean that's what he really is.

To quote that HuffPost article I mentioned earlier: being prejudiced and being racist are different things. Maybe I should have been differentiating that terminology too since it seems to have created confusion.

Originally Posted by Kiiii

This doesn't just happen out of the blue. You have to have done something in your life in order to call those types of opinions toward yourself (Talking about Trump, not you specifically). I'm shocked that you're still willing to defend Trump as not being a racist, when if you were to ask anyone with a brain, they'd say otherwise. The proof is pretty clear, but for whatever reason, you choose to ignore it.

Also, quoting HuffPost is a bad move since apparently they're extremely biased.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I was called upon by the muses for greatness.

Originally Posted by Frownland

I'm bald, ja.

Originally Posted by Anteater

extremely liberal = numbnuts

Originally Posted by Anteater

The Huffington Post is an extremely liberal outlet. I was making a point by posting an article where even numbnuts like them understand the difference that I'm discussing.

Well, I think I've beat this dead horse enough. Nobody acknowledged the argument being made, so let's talk about Flynn I guess.

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Wearing it on your sleeve again dude.

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I was called upon by the muses for greatness.

Originally Posted by Frownland

I'm bald, ja.