What Did President Trump Do Now?

Anteater · 02-13-2017, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

^I don't really think you're quite understanding the actual point people are putting across. But it seems rather convenient that you'll tell other people to further their reading but simultaneously not read into media. Is there a source that you're reading that somehow is deemed more factually accurate than what people saw during the campaign? Trump didn't just randomly start being called sexist and racist. He based his campaign on it.

I do read into the media. And you have seen in past posts how I've eviscerated people for not reading into their own cited articles enough.

But unfortunately in today's day and age that's just the first step. The media are not objective and don't mix well with people not aligned to their parent company's agenda. Guys like Trump and, going a few years back, Mitt Romney. That's why you have to see what angle they are looking at something, why they're looking at it the way they are, then go back and read word-for-word what was said to figure out if there's a disconnect.

**Exo** · 02-13-2017, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

I can see both sides - his supporters are still in "give him a chance" mode and I will admit the media is creaming their pants with the constant headlines berating him.

That being said...now it's a question of risk vs. reward. I feel a lot of his supporters felt the reward would have been worth the potential risk he posed. At this point it's pretty clear that reward we are hoping for is well beyond Trump's capacity. Even if he wanted to accomplish these things, he gets too distracted and he will be blocked at every turn by the Democrats (when they can) and the judiciary. That only leaves risk...having a man as our leader who had no idea the scope of this job is DANGEROUS.

So far the only thing he has accomplished is getting people into cabinet positions that have less experience thane even he has.

Key · 02-13-2017, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

That only leaves risk...having a man as our leader who had no idea the scope of this job is DANGEROUS.

That's precisely what I'm getting at. He has been president now for almost a full month, and there has been more chaos going on in this country than we saw over the past 8 years with Obama. I'm not saying the Obama presidency was perfect. Far from it. However, people weren't fearing for their lives because they wouldn't be able to get their pre-existing conditions taken care of under the insurance they have right now.

But I have another argument to put forward as well. With the successful nominations of Betsy DeVos and his other cabinet choices, how much worth can we put into getting our word out. I'm talking specifically about people rioting in the streets and protesting decisions that get allowed regardless of the public backlash. Is this just something we're going to have to get used to? Donald Trump has proven time and time again that no amount of public outcry will even come close to swaying his opinion on a bad choice.

Key · 02-13-2017, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

But unfortunately in today's day and age that's just the first step. The media are not objective and don't mix well with people not aligned to their parent company's agenda. Guys like Trump and, going a few years back, Mitt Romney. That's why you have to see what angle they are looking at something, why they're looking at it the way they are, then go back and read word-for-word what was said to figure out if there's a disconnect.

But with this mindset, you pretty much count being racist and sexist as acceptable until proven otherwise. Trump has displayed both acts throughout his campaign but hides it more in his presidency. Are we just meant to accept the fact that he's been racist and sexist, and allow it until someone can do something? I don't think so.

Lucem Ferre · 02-13-2017, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

^I don't really think you're quite understanding the actual point people are putting across. But it seems rather convenient that you'll tell other people to further their reading but simultaneously not read into media. Is there a source that you're reading that somehow is deemed more factually accurate than what people saw during the campaign? Trump didn't just randomly start being called sexist and racist. He based his campaign on it.

There's tons of videos on youtube showing a lot of these independent liberal porn sites cutting up Trump speeches to sound even worse than they already are.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 02-13-2017, 04:11 PM

Key · 02-13-2017, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

There's tons of videos on youtube showing a lot of these independent liberal porn sites cutting up Trump speeches to sound even worse than they already are.

Well, if you're going to Youtube for viable news stories, you may need to rethink your strategy.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 02-13-2017, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

Well, if you're going to Youtube for viable news stories, you may need to rethink your strategy.

right? buzzfeed or gtfo

Anteater · 02-13-2017, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

That's precisely what I'm getting at. He has been president now for almost a full month, and there has been more chaos going on in this country than we saw over the past 8 years with Obama. I'm not saying the Obama presidency was perfect. Far from it. However, people weren't fearing for their lives because they wouldn't be able to get their pre-existing conditions taken care of under the insurance they have right now.

It looks like we might find out as early as this week what he has in mind as a replacement for the ACA, but whatever it is will likely take several years to roll out. The ACA as it currently stands is a ticking time bomb though, so I hope they figure something out sooner rather than later.

duga · 02-13-2017, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii

That's precisely what I'm getting at. He has been president now for almost a full month, and there has been more chaos going on in this country than we saw over the past 8 years with Obama. I'm not saying the Obama presidency was perfect. Far from it. However, people weren't fearing for their lives because they wouldn't be able to get their pre-existing conditions taken care of under the insurance they have right now.

But I have another argument to put forward as well. With the successful nominations of Betsy DeVos and his other cabinet choices, how much worth can we put into getting our word out. I'm talking specifically about people rioting in the streets and protesting decisions that get allowed regardless of the public backlash. Is this just something we're going to have to get used to? Donald Trump has proven time and time again that no amount of public outcry will even come close to swaying his opinion on a bad choice.

You're right - the public outcry will not stop Trump. It WILL affect how the judicial system handles him. I highly doubt anything would have been done about the travel ban if we had all quietly stewed about it in silence. But because of non-stop protests, storming of town hall meetings, and constant calls to our representatives, the court upheld the stay unanimously. Not to mention that there was a stay at all. That's a result right there.