Anteater

Hah. The last decade or more was an experiment as well. Pushed back further than expected? Other than the stimulus bill, Obama didn't do anything in his past eight years in office that you'll find too much consensus with people on...especially in regards to foreign policy. I also consider the ACA and the whole "make Wall-Street accountable for what they did" to be failed ventures. He's a smart guy, but to me he dropped the ball on things that would have potentially brought about real change in Washington. You can blame a lot on the GOP, but what I just mentioned? All on him and his cabinet.

As far as I can tell, Trump has pretty much gotten his way in office from start to finish with the exception of a few courts putting a lid on his immigration order. Which is fine, as what he did was too broad in scope and not specific enough to be useful. Which is why he's gone back to the drawing board. Being the CEO of a global empire may have parallels with the POTUS office, but Trump is starting to learn that there are roadblocks that you won't run into in a private enterprise. Maybe he'll grow from the experience.

And thus the experiment continues.

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Lucem Ferre

Frown does those things all the time for the sake of trolling Chula.

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DwnWthVwls

Are you against the ACA and "make wall-street accountable" ventures or just there implementation?

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Lucem Ferre

He said they failed at their purpose.

And for Duga's thing about he internet, I repeat that it's not a false news problem it's a stupid people problem. Bull**** stories and rumors existed long before the internet. If anything the internet provides much easier access to the information you need to make an informed opinion. It's just a lack of critical thinking and the fact that most people don't care about what's true, just what backs up their perspective because I guess being wrong is too big of a blow to some people's egos. You can definitely see a lot of that in these kinds of topics.

Edit: You can definitely see that willful ignorance when Elphlord and Chalupa Vista make AuntEater out to be this greedy business man for attempting to be optimistic about a candidate he doesn't even particularly like. (at least I don't think he likes Trump)

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Key

I didn't say anything about me not liking them. I said both times that it no longer stays an experiment when the country is in arms length of a threat to push it back. And it also stops being an experiment when people can't fight for what they believe in. Whether or not I like it has nothing to do with it. How you got that conclusion is beyond me.

So you're implying that the shock of Trump actually running didn't push more people to focus on him and his potential for presidency? I would say it wasn't only him that allowed his presidency to happen. The media and his shocking demeanor helped him along the way. But it also didn't help that this election had two of the most unpopular candidates. People voted Trump so they wouldn't vote Hillary, and vice versa. Trump isn't smart enough to figure out the system all by himself.

duga

Not at all - if it sounded like I was blaming the internet for anything then I didn't word it correctly. The internet is an amazing tool - just like anything that makes lives easier and can inform and educate. It requires responsibility on our part to keep it from turning into the partisan ignorant cess pool we know today. The internet will always be the internet...how we approach it has to change.

To address your statement about the early days of the internet. I saw them, too. I can remember a time with no internet. I value being a part of the generation that saw its rise. My thoughts on your statement, though, are that back then only fairly tech-savvy people really got into the internet. As it has been placed more easily in the hands of your average joe shmoe...that's when we've seen the rise of trolls, fake news, yadda yadda. As with anything that changes the way we perceive the world (and the internet has no doubt done that), there are growing pains associated with it. We are still in the connected world's infancy and we have to relearn different types of social etiquette.

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DwnWthVwls

I know.. That's not what I asked though. I don't know much about Anteater's views, so I was just curious.

Edit: Thanks Duga.

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Chula Vista

Mods, can this be made official?

I don't think Ant is some evil business purpose. I just don't agree him on a number of issues.

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Frownland

In summation: I won't call it an experiment if I don't like its outcomes. Because that is the only point I've seen you make.

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Key

Do you need to get your head checked? Literally nothing you're saying has any indication of you understanding the point I'm trying to make. But oh wait, it's Frownland, so obviously I can't have a point. Surprise.